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tarheel91 on 09 March 2009

I think people are missing the point with the NES. It overcame the impossible and brought the industry back from the dead in the US. Store owners were so skeptical of video games after the crash of 1983 that Nintendo had to promise to buy back anything that didn't sell. Not only that, but the consumers themselves were put off from games thanks to the crash, and getting them interested again was a monumental task. Nintendo faced this kind of resistance, and yet they still not only managed to survive, but their system became very, very popular.

In my book, it's ahead of everything else, just because it did something that was seemingly possible, but absolutely necessary at the time. I could see an argument about how we would've seen something similar had the Wii not come along, and the Wii basically saved the game industry from a repeat of 1983. However, the fact of the matter is, it didn't, and thus the NES has still done something the Wii can't ever surpass.



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atma998 on 09 March 2009
The Ghost of RubangB said:
atma998 said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
atma998 said:
NES should be #1 because it introduced most of the biggest franchises ever :

Dragon Quest
Final Fantasy
Castlevania
Contra (arcade port)
Mega Man
Metal Gear (MSX port)
Ninja Gaiden (arcade port)
Street Fighter (well kind of...Street Fighter 2010) (sequel to arcade game)
Tetris (Game Boy port)

and of course Super Mario Bros. Metroid, Zelda, Kirby, Wario, Excitebike, Punch-Out! and Yoshi

Wario was from the Game Boy unless you're talking about his NES puzzle game, Punch-Out!! was an arcade game first, and Yoshi is from the SNES, unless you're talking about his NES puzzle game.

Tetris was first introduced on the NES in 1988 (TETЯIS). MSX was Japan only. And Ninja Gaiden and Contra (and also Punch-Out!!) gained popularity on the NES. Yoshi first appearance was in SMB 3 but the first self-titled Yoshi game was released on the NES in 1992. And yes I was talking about Wario's Woods on the NES. 

The console and handheld rights to Tetris were granted to Nintendo in 1989, so your date is incorrect.

Tetris was a launch title for the Game Boy in 1989, and then released on the NES.

The game was already illegally distributed on the PC and in an arcade version made by Atari.

 

I'd let a little confusion slide, but... have you played Super Mario Bros. 3?  There is a similar looking dinosaur in the game, but it's not playable and you can't interact with it at all, and it's not named Yoshi.

Yoshi is from Super Mario World on the SNES in 1991.

 

 Go see this link for Yoshi : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoshi

As for Tetris like I said before the first Tetris (TETЯIS) was released on the NES by Tengen or Atari if you prefer in 1988.  



noname2200 on 09 March 2009
superchunk said:

1) My point was the xbox made it mandatory for home consoles and everyone doesn't strive to copy Dreamcast's version, however, they do with xbox.

2) Everyone hates friendcodes, Wii isn't popular because of its online capabilities. It is popular due to specific games and motion. If the online was more like xbox live, Wii would be nearly perfect AND have many more core gamers loving it.

Every core gamer / teen I know that has switched back to 360 or hardly touches their Wii has its online as the primary reason.

 

I disagree with point one. The Wii is most definitely NOT striving to emulate Live, it's trying to do its own thing. While the HD consoles are adopting the PC model of online gaming (not surprising, since that is what Live is), the Wii is trying to make online more "sociable," for lack of a better term.

If you want to connect with a person, both of you must exchange friend codes, increasing the chances that you actually have some real-world (or forum-based...) form of contact with that person before you can add each other/actually ID one another. The online chat is not a one-man headset, which ensures that online games will remain one-player per console, but a room-wide set that includes everyone. Heck, the Wii Speak channel is essentially a four-way speaker phone, permitting four groups to talk to one another.Even buying online games is more sociable on the Wii: you can gift games to another Wii, but only if both of you have exchanged numbers already (remember what a pain in the a** that was? 'Cause I do!). I'm sure that, as time goes on, the Wii's online system will further differentiate itself from the PC model as well.

Now, whether you LIKE the online system that the Wii is going for or not is a completely different story. I find it burdensome and clunky in a lot of ways, and it definitely feels like a work in progress. But the Wii is NOT trying to do what the Xbox has.

 



sethnintendo on 09 March 2009

NES is #1!



The Ghost of RubangB on 09 March 2009
atma998 said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
atma998 said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
atma998 said:
NES should be #1 because it introduced most of the biggest franchises ever :

Dragon Quest
Final Fantasy
Castlevania
Contra (arcade port)
Mega Man
Metal Gear (MSX port)
Ninja Gaiden (arcade port)
Street Fighter (well kind of...Street Fighter 2010) (sequel to arcade game)
Tetris (Game Boy port)

and of course Super Mario Bros. Metroid, Zelda, Kirby, Wario, Excitebike, Punch-Out! and Yoshi

Wario was from the Game Boy unless you're talking about his NES puzzle game, Punch-Out!! was an arcade game first, and Yoshi is from the SNES, unless you're talking about his NES puzzle game.

Tetris was first introduced on the NES in 1988 (TETЯIS). MSX was Japan only. And Ninja Gaiden and Contra (and also Punch-Out!!) gained popularity on the NES. Yoshi first appearance was in SMB 3 but the first self-titled Yoshi game was released on the NES in 1992. And yes I was talking about Wario's Woods on the NES. 

The console and handheld rights to Tetris were granted to Nintendo in 1989, so your date is incorrect.

Tetris was a launch title for the Game Boy in 1989, and then released on the NES.

The game was already illegally distributed on the PC and in an arcade version made by Atari.

 

I'd let a little confusion slide, but... have you played Super Mario Bros. 3?  There is a similar looking dinosaur in the game, but it's not playable and you can't interact with it at all, and it's not named Yoshi.

Yoshi is from Super Mario World on the SNES in 1991.

Go see this link for Yoshi : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoshi

As for Tetris like I said before the first Tetris (TETЯIS) was released on the NES by Tengen or Atari if you prefer in 1988.  

Ah, Wikipedia.  Let me copy and paste it in here:

"His debut was in Super Mario World on the Super Nintendo Entertainment System, although he can be seen in Super Mario Bros. 3 when the king of world 7 gets turned into one, and Yoshi would later have his own series with several platform and puzzle games, including Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island."

His debut was in Super Mairo World, although... blah blah blah.

In fact, I think I'll fix that incorrect Wikipedia article myself.  Thank you for bringing this to my attention.  I thought we were talking about a different dinosaur in SMB3.

In world 7 of Super Mario Bros. 3 on the NES, the king has been turned into a PIRANHA PLANT.

They changed this into a Yoshi for the Super Mario All-Stars compilation on SNES.  They changed several of the kings in All-Stars to other familiar Mario characters, like Monty Mole, Lakitu, and Alabatross and whatnot.

Yoshi debuted in Super Mario World.  If you want to argue this you'll need to doctor some screenshots by splicing Yoshi out of one of his later NES puzzle games into SMB3.

 

 

Regarding Tetris, it was programmed in 1985.  Several unofficial/unlicensed/illegal versions floated around eastern Europe for a while, so if you want to count the Tengen one, you have to count all those and go back to 1985 when it was programmed.  The first legal licensed home console/handheld version was officially released in 1989 on the Game Boy, and was the main reason to get a Game Boy.  Then it was released on the NES.

Atari made the arcade game, and through their Tengen branch they made Tetris for the NES, but it was unlicensed.  However, they only owned the arcade rights, not the home console rights.  They were taken to court by Nintendo, and they lost.  (A 3rd company held the home computer rights to Tetris, and Nintendo had to prove in court that the Game Boy was a video game console and not a computer.  They proved this by showing that it has no OS and can only work with a game cartridge inside.)

If you think beating Nintendo to the punch with an illegal copy of Tetris counts as "the first release," then you need to count the several other previous illegal copies that were on the PC before then.

Pick 1985 on PC or 1989 on Game Boy.

 

 

EDIT: I have fixed the Wikipedia error on the Yoshi page, so if you go there again, you will no longer be misinformed.  The correct information was/is also available on the Super Mario All-Stars page, in a list of differences from the original games.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoshi

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Mario_All-Stars#Super_Mario_Bros._3

 



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1337 Gamer on 09 March 2009

Good list but very out of order.

1. NES (REesurected the Gaming industry)
2. SNES Amazing Console so many classic games
3. PS2 Amazing console Brought DVD standard and best library of a console
4. GBA best portable gaming device
5. Wii Innovative controls
6. Xbox (brought about revolution in online gaming)
7. PS1
8. Ipod Touch/ Iphone



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Dgc1808 on 10 March 2009

I think number 6 and 7 did what you said for number one....



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Idree on 10 March 2009

THe Hardcore gamers Top 8:

1. Playstation 2
2. CFW Playstation Portable
3. Playstation 4
4. Playstation
5. Xbox 360
6. Dreamcast
7. Xbox
8. Gameboy




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atma998 on 10 March 2009
The Ghost of RubangB said:
atma998 said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
atma998 said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
atma998 said:
NES should be #1 because it introduced most of the biggest franchises ever :

Dragon Quest
Final Fantasy
Castlevania
Contra (arcade port)
Mega Man
Metal Gear (MSX port)
Ninja Gaiden (arcade port)
Street Fighter (well kind of...Street Fighter 2010) (sequel to arcade game)
Tetris (Game Boy port)

and of course Super Mario Bros. Metroid, Zelda, Kirby, Wario, Excitebike, Punch-Out! and Yoshi

Wario was from the Game Boy unless you're talking about his NES puzzle game, Punch-Out!! was an arcade game first, and Yoshi is from the SNES, unless you're talking about his NES puzzle game.

Tetris was first introduced on the NES in 1988 (TETЯIS). MSX was Japan only. And Ninja Gaiden and Contra (and also Punch-Out!!) gained popularity on the NES. Yoshi first appearance was in SMB 3 but the first self-titled Yoshi game was released on the NES in 1992. And yes I was talking about Wario's Woods on the NES. 

The console and handheld rights to Tetris were granted to Nintendo in 1989, so your date is incorrect.

Tetris was a launch title for the Game Boy in 1989, and then released on the NES.

The game was already illegally distributed on the PC and in an arcade version made by Atari.

 

I'd let a little confusion slide, but... have you played Super Mario Bros. 3?  There is a similar looking dinosaur in the game, but it's not playable and you can't interact with it at all, and it's not named Yoshi.

Yoshi is from Super Mario World on the SNES in 1991.

Go see this link for Yoshi : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoshi

As for Tetris like I said before the first Tetris (TETЯIS) was released on the NES by Tengen or Atari if you prefer in 1988.  

Ah, Wikipedia.  Let me copy and paste it in here:

"His debut was in Super Mario World on the Super Nintendo Entertainment System, although he can be seen in Super Mario Bros. 3 when the king of world 7 gets turned into one, and Yoshi would later have his own series with several platform and puzzle games, including Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island."

His debut was in Super Mairo World, although... blah blah blah.

In fact, I think I'll fix that incorrect Wikipedia article myself.  Thank you for bringing this to my attention.  I thought we were talking about a different dinosaur in SMB3.

In world 7 of Super Mario Bros. 3 on the NES, the king has been turned into a PIRANHA PLANT.

They changed this into a Yoshi for the Super Mario All-Stars compilation on SNES.  They changed several of the kings in All-Stars to other familiar Mario characters, like Monty Mole, Lakitu, and Alabatross and whatnot.

Yoshi debuted in Super Mario World.  If you want to argue this you'll need to doctor some screenshots by splicing Yoshi out of one of his later NES puzzle games into SMB3.

 

 

Regarding Tetris, it was programmed in 1985.  Several unofficial/unlicensed/illegal versions floated around eastern Europe for a while, so if you want to count the Tengen one, you have to count all those and go back to 1985 when it was programmed.  The first legal licensed home console/handheld version was officially released in 1989 on the Game Boy, and was the main reason to get a Game Boy.  Then it was released on the NES.

Atari made the arcade game, and through their Tengen branch they made Tetris for the NES, but it was unlicensed.  However, they only owned the arcade rights, not the home console rights.  They were taken to court by Nintendo, and they lost.  (A 3rd company held the home computer rights to Tetris, and Nintendo had to prove in court that the Game Boy was a video game console and not a computer.  They proved this by showing that it has no OS and can only work with a game cartridge inside.)

If you think beating Nintendo to the punch with an illegal copy of Tetris counts as "the first release," then you need to count the several other previous illegal copies that were on the PC before then.

Pick 1985 on PC or 1989 on Game Boy.

 

 

EDIT: I have fixed the Wikipedia error on the Yoshi page, so if you go there again, you will no longer be misinformed.  The correct information was/is also available on the Super Mario All-Stars page, in a list of differences from the original games.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoshi

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Mario_All-Stars#Super_Mario_Bros._3

 

 

This doesnt change the fact that the first self-titled Yoshi game was on the NES.

As for Tetris I guess it's a matter of opinion (like Contra, Punch-Out and Ninja Gaiden). All those games became popular on the NES (yes even Tetris!) It's no coincidence if Tetris was bundled with the Game Boy, the game already proves itself before on the NES. 

 



sethnintendo on 10 March 2009

I think at least 80% of people agree that NES is number 1.