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Killergran said:
flames_of said:
Looks like my opinion actually varies a bit from the rest of the 360-crowd...
And in case of any potential rebuttals, I play my the 360 a lot recently...

I'm not so sure that's true. Anyone who isn't calling the Wii a fad or gimmicky would probably agree with you. Anyone who can get their head around that graphics isn't everything to everybody.

Those who cannot accept this are either fanboys, blind to the world, or trolls.

I am not at all saying that the Wii is better. It's up to everyone to decide for themselves what console they like the most. But being blind to the other consoles advantages just because it's not for you is being a fanboy.

 

Graphics isn't everything you say but wasn't Super NES fans all about bashing the graphics on the Genesis? I seem to recall that to be the case.

 

 

 



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noname2200 said:
Legend11 said:
Xponent said:

Secondly, the Newton will be hampered by the fact that many if not most Xbox gamers wont have it. This is unlike the Wii remote which is included with every console. Take the balance board for example. Very few games at this stage utilise it, despite its userbase of 10 million. Why go for 10 million when you can make a game for 39 million?

I've seen this claim made many times and I'm wondering, do you have anything at all to back it up?  Any studies that were done to basically say that 360 owners do not like motion controls?  Most of the problems that some have with the Wii is the underpowered hardware and many of the crap games that are on the system.  It's not about the motion controls which I've rarely seen 360 owners insult.

Since he's off-line, I'll step in for him for a bit. He can correct me if I'm wrong. But the meaning behind his words is in the very next sentence.

"This is unlike the Wii remote which is included with every console."

He then goes on to use the example of the balance board. You even quoted both parts...

I see nothing in his post questioning 360 owners' like of motion controls, or lack thereof.

 

Oops you're right, my bad... I misread what was said and mistook it for another post when I replied to it.  I'm working on an assignment and probably shouldn't be posting anyways.



@ never try

Weren't PS2 fanboys all about saying that graphics don't matter?



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To answer your previous question what type of game would be needed for Xbox to gain a wii-like reputation and start stealing wii-people, I think it would have to be an entirely new game. New in every sense. New in the way that Wii Sports was. A new way to think about gaming. An entirely new experience.

It would be good if it came bundled with the console, so that every new console sold was a part of the new strategy, and not just a niche part of the group they turn to. They would have to have some sort of new image to go with the game. And it would have to be a good game. Not good in the way that it gets awesome reviews. Oh no. It has to be appealing, and delivering on that appeal.

If Microsoft does all that, they have a chance of stealing Wii consumers. But remember Little Big Planet. Even with the huge effort Sony is making to add the quirky and creative image to their console, it doesn't really alter the PS3 image of an overpriced graphics beast. They need more than just that one game. They need an army of games, heralding a new wave, not just a single soldier fighting windmills.



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From the looks of this thread, i don't think a Newton release holds much "gravity"...

 

Horrible puns aside, lets try to think what could make newton a success. First, it would need big games to go with. MS already spend it's Halo title and two Gears of Wars games on the 360, so a new game would had to be created from scratch. A sports game, would be accused as a copy of Wii sports, but strong licencing would overcome that. Problem is MS last sports game was Golf Simulator on Windows.No expierience there.

So we return to big franchises like Halo or new games.Problem is that the Halo-like fanbase would be feeling betrayed by the change in controls since they would require the game to be optimized on motion controlls. (A half-assed optional control scheme would be worth to nothing to validate change from dual analog.) Reactions like "Halo is ruined forever" would pop up. Nintendo had simillar issues with Metroid making the jump to 3d or Celda(not a typo). Still, the Halo(or whatever MS comes up with) brand is massive and will probably move the accessory. 

Now it comes to this. You sold millions of Newton with your app (it was buldled with it), but if you chose a FPS to go with it (the most logical choice for 360) you preached to the normal crowd of Microsoft. People that bought it were the usual MS supporters that would have bought the game even with normal analog control. You didn't create a new genre that would attract the people that just got into gaming, or the more mature crowd that like simple games that drive the Wii sales. So microsoft sports is a nesessity i guess. Wii series hold their success in the combination of simple motions, the Mii personas and Multiplayer on the same room, in difference with MS, who favor online as strategy. Lets say they use the avatars to the same purpose. A copied idea, for a copied game. So microsoft casual sports series are born.

Ok, it's all good, and microsoft can jump over the trap of "selling out to casuals" or "blatant pliagiarism". Still, can anyone explain why the i-pod was favorited over the zune? Because of recongnizability. Nintendo is synonym now with "motion", as "playstation" was to videogames in general use of the public. They came first, they were a huge success and created a new market. If MS used avatars for in game representation, why move from the wii from the first place, if the selling point is simple cutesy graphics and motion? Nothing new here in comparison to Wii. If the graphics were more realistic, the Wii proved that simplicity works best on the new market, so MS would only sell to the core gamers, who would use the HD as a raft to the alleged "sellout". No new sales for MS, kids and casual adults don't care for graphics.

Even though the accessory could be a mild success if the games it offered were high quality titles, Games based in gimmicks that are not sold with the console are very few. Guitar Hero's guitar is useless for any other games. Wii balance board just started to get support from third parties, while nintendo has only 2 titles for it. So lifetime titles for newton would come to what, 20 titles with 3rd party support? Even if it brought a tsunami of minigames with it, since they are more succesfull on the Wii as proved by sales, why would companies want to produce that? A cheaper game with great sales is prefferable to a high end graphics with uncertain ones.

So IMO, casuals stay with nintendo, core retain the analog control, and everyone is happy. 

tl;dr Newton is not going to be a threat to Ninty. (Quote me on that for crow eating threads)

 



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Khuutra said:
Esa-Petteri said:

If course I am serious. Other than those few first party games, every good game can be found (at least equivelant one) on 360 or maybe pc as better version. And yes, I don't consider minigame-collections as good games. :P

 

Ha-HA! It is even FUNNIER the second time!

Seriously, though, we're trying to have a serious discussion. I appreciate the humor, but let's get down to business.

Seriously, what else is there besides those few first party titles? :)

 



List wars are a sin, Esa-Petteri.

If you are serious, then the phrasing of your question precludes any answer I may give being sufficient to sway your opinion.



Esa-Petteri said:
Khuutra said:
Esa-Petteri said:

If course I am serious. Other than those few first party games, every good game can be found (at least equivelant one) on 360 or maybe pc as better version. And yes, I don't consider minigame-collections as good games. :P

 

Ha-HA! It is even FUNNIER the second time!

Seriously, though, we're trying to have a serious discussion. I appreciate the humor, but let's get down to business.

Seriously, what else is there besides those few first party titles? :)

 

Actually, there's not much in terms of games that you would like. Which is the point. And, as I stated earlier, not seeing that other peoples opinions can actually differ from yours, and that those people whose opinions do differ are not wrong just because of it would make you either a fanboy or a troll.

But I'll give you this: Most really interesting titles on the Wii comes from Nintendo.

I'll also add this: Most really interesting titles come from Nintendo.

This is my personal opinion. You may disagree with it.

EDIT: @vonShigsy

I agree with your assessment of the situation. It's what I call a split personality :)  Which is why I would think that if Microsoft wants a piece of the wii action AND the HD action, they'll have to launch a new console aimed at the Wii crowd. Of course, this is pure speculation...



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Waggle can go to hell. I hope that next-gen isn't a full on waggle/casual gen or gaming is doomed.



This thread was doing so well, too.

See what you did, flames_of?! Do you see!?!