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KohlyKohl on 28 February 2007

Kwaad said: focused on pushing their own music format (mini-disc). Since when did the PSP use mini-disc? and since when did the PSP have a in-house music format? Because mine sure dont support either.
I do not know if you just misread what he said, or you purposely did just for the sake of argument. Anyways he was refering to the pre-iPod days when they were trying to push their mini-disc format that failed. He also said they created the PSP to compete with the iPod, but never mentioned any in-house Sony music format once.



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Delusional on 01 March 2007

Kwaad said: focused on pushing their own music format (mini-disc). Since when did the PSP use mini-disc? and since when did the PSP have a in-house music format? Because mine sure dont support either.
haha. kwaad probably didn't know about the sony mini-disc. not everyone knows about it since it the market was quite isolated to asia and never really made it to the US



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reverie on 01 March 2007

Kwaad said: And really, the PSP is doing the the original X-Box was meant to do. Get market share.
That's funny, you're using Microsoft's spin to spin PSP sales... I'm not even sure if the PSP wants to be seen in company with The Six Billion Dollar Baby. Back in the '90s Sony took over the console market with the Playstation, just like Nintendo took over the market in the '80s. That's what I'd call a successful market entry. Evidently the PSP is not as successful as the PS1 or the NES were. The market is dominated by the DS in Japan and by both the DS and the GBA in the West.



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NightStalker on 01 March 2007

staticneuron said: HappySqurriel said: Phil Harrison Sony Computer Entertainment Worldwide Studios Sony has the world's largest first party development operation, in effect producing scores of "exclusive" titles for our platforms each year. ( http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=15342&page=3 ) Sony's problem isn't that they don't make enough games, the problem is they do not make enough good distinctive games ... There are lots of Sony games which are just 'Me Too' entries in genres that don't give (much of) a reason to buy them Jak and Daxter, God of War, Arc the lad, Hot Shots Golf, Jet Moto, Alundra, Ape Escape, Colony Wars, Gran Turismo, ATV Offroad Fury, ICO, Destruction Derby, MediEvil, LocoRoco, MotorStorm , Shadow of the Colossus, PaRappa the Rapper, Syphon Filter, The Legend of Dragoon, PoPoLoCrois, Warhawk, Ratchet & Clank, Rogue Galaxy, Sly Cooper, SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs , The Getaway, Wild Arms, Twisted Metal, Wipeout Comming from a guy who played most of these titles I can assurer you they are distinctive enough. Nintendo doesn't have much on sony besides repetative franchises. I have yet to see some more colony wars. I want to see a legend of dragoon sequel or a sotc. God of wat was just praised. I consider loco roco to be brilliant. I love the arc of lad universe. I am curious about uncharted, africa, white knight story and many other sony announcements. Seriously speaking Sony has made some awesome titles.... titles so good I would put them higher than any other title I have played to date. Give me shadows over zelda anyday, I would rather a PS3 version of god of war, or legend of dragoon over halo 3 anyday. Where is a new parappa. Can anyone else here who has played games most of thier lives (and actually played these titles) can really say that sony doesn't make awesome games?
Don't forget Dark Cloud and Resistance ( two i can remember). You are right that Sony makes incredible games. God of War andShadow of the Colossus are two of my most fav. games ever. It's sad to say that i didn't get to play a lot of those games, though, but I would love to. BTW there needs to be a new Twisted Metal. Black was just great.



Deguello on 01 March 2007

jstam said: The american market is where the psp is holding its own against the DS (be it only just) Nintendo do need to lure big western 3rd parties to the DS to get these talented companies to create something brilliantly new and not waste their efforts making ports of games that they have already made on other systems. Do that and sony will have no choice but to innovate or leave the handheld market
No, sir. Western third parties treat all portables like crap. Look at when the GBA had the total monopoly. They produced shit there too. It appears that only the Eastern third parties EVEN CARE about putting original content on portables. So who cares if the PSP gets the click-and-drag, PS2 port, lazy American third parties? You're telling me that they should stop porting on the DS? That's ALL THEY DO on the PSP. And that behavior gets reinforced whne the ports do well and the original titles flop. Nintendo knows handhelds right, so that's why they aggressively sought the Japanese third parties, because they make the best quality and the best selling handheld games. In this market, Western developers can go hang until they wise up.



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Sintinel on 01 March 2007

Jesus Kwaad, get it through your skull: 3rd parties don't care about percentages, they care about units sold. Seriously, get that through your skull. Here, I'll type it again because I highly doubt you will have grasped the concept at this point. System A sells 1,000,000 hardware units, and 5,000,000 3rd party games, giving it a 5:1 3rd party attach rate. System B sells 100,000,000 hardware units, and 20,000,000 3rd party games, giving it a 1:5 3rd party attach rate. Guess which system a prospective 3rd party developer is going to develop for? If you guessed System B, the system that has sold the most 3rd party games, at the lowest attach rate, then you guessed correctly. I'll say it again, because he seem to have a hard time grasping any concept that doesn't show SONY in the lead: 3rd parties don't care about percentages, they care about units sold. I can't believe you've actually tried to base an argument for a whole thread on percentages. Nobody cares! Move on! The PSP is, for the most part, dead in the water. It's ok, though. You'll still wake up tomorrow, and your little fanboy heart will still be pumping black oil. Unless you bet your internal organs on SONY dominating any of the gaming markets this generation, that is.



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staticneuron on 01 March 2007

Darc Requiem said: Static, you really need to stop listing games that aren't developed by Sony. It weakens your argument. You could still make a good argument with just the Sony developed titles. Continually bringing up games not developed by Sony shows a lack of belief in your argument IMO.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCE You really need to find out which companies sony owns. Its like halo is made by bungie but everyone knows it is a MS IP because MS owns bungie. What IP that I listed is not a sony franchise?



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Kwaad on 01 March 2007

PSP - 26 + 53 = 79 Nintendo DS - 48 +78 = 126 The PSP has sold 26 3rd party games over 100,000. The DS has sold 48 3rd party games over 100,000. The Nintendo DS has 78 3rd party games UNDER 100,000. The PSP has 53 3rd party games UNDER 100,000. 32% of 3rd party PSP games sell over 100,000. 38% of 3rd party DS games sell over 100,000. Ok. There. You have it. EDIT: If you want to discredit me for that. You had better find a better arguement than percents dont work. To me it looks like I have a 32% chance of going over 100,000 on PSP, and 38% on DS. That's not a big diffrence, considering the DS has 3x the units sold... 100,000 should be VERY easy to get.



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Sintinel on 01 March 2007

WHO GIVES A SHIT?!?!?! Ok, Kwaad, listen up, because I'm going to try one last time. There is only one fact that matters here, just one. I'm going to spell it out for you very slowly and with no big words so maybe you can understand: THIRD. PARTY. GAMES. SELL. BETTER. ON. THE. DS. That's it, that's all folks, nothing to see here, move along people. This is my last attempt to enlighten you. Percentages don't matter, sales numbers do. Back and read the example from my last post again, very slowly and carefully, then do the same for this post again, then go back and read my other post a third, and then read this post a third time. If you still have any problems getting the concept, just hit me with an email and I'll take you through it much slower and cut out all the big words.



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Darc Requiem on 01 March 2007

staticneuron said: Darc Requiem said: Static, you really need to stop listing games that aren't developed by Sony. It weakens your argument. You could still make a good argument with just the Sony developed titles. Continually bringing up games not developed by Sony shows a lack of belief in your argument IMO. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCE You really need to find out which companies sony owns. Its like halo is made by bungie but everyone knows it is a MS IP because MS owns bungie. What IP that I listed is not a sony franchise?
You are absolutely right Static, I owe you an apology man. The only IP you listed that isn't Sony owned is Alundra. The rest are all Sony IPs. So sorry man, I'm gonna close my pie hole now.