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ziss said:

@Esmoreit

Then you can tell me why the western media did not say no word about that Georgia attacked Ossetia and there is genocide Ossetian people?

Why silent? And even then broadcast began when Russian troops broke the Georgian army from Ossetia ...
This is all information warfare, which Russia lost, unfortunately ...
And if Russia did not intervene, the Georgian army cut the entire Ossetian people and I am more than confident that the west would be made in either the word about this ...

 

The "genocide" was mentioned here in the Netherlands (dunno if you consider this West enough) and I have mentioned it three times now if you care to read my posts thoroughly enough. I just don't call it genocide, but police-actions. Rather messy ones at that. The reason is, genocide means racial killings, mass-murder to cleanse a race or place. I highly doubt the Georgians seeked to stop the rioting of Ossetian millitia by simply eradicating everyone there.

True, throwing grenades in basements without checking is dispicable and Georgia would have recieved major backlash if word got out. But by Russia's invasion these acts simply don't hold a candle to that. Russia drew such attention by clearly invading a country that anything preceding the this invasion like the  police actions in Georgia where overlooked.

Also I find it rather insulting that you do not attempt to go into my other points. Why couldn't the international community handled it? Why couldn't russia wait for approval? Why are they trying to re-instigate sattelite states? 



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@Esmoreit

See that's what I'm saying. If the heads of state of Georgia had asked for help, then it would have been for the benefit of Georgia and against whatever rebels there may have been in Ossetia. But are you also saying that if the rebels asked for help from a bigger power they shouldn't be answered because they aren't the offical heads of the state? Your procedures heavily help out the current State and not the separatists.

And I agree with you, the international community could have done a much better job, as they could have done in many many other cases, but it has been show to move extremely slowly and if atrocities were happening they would have continued for a while. Also, if the two regions actually join Russia, they would non longer be satellites, they would right out be considered part of Russia. I do agree with your point though, Russia has been aggressive, if you look at history it has always been so, but that's just a fact of life and not something that can be changed just because they lost a cold war.

 

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That's exactly what I'm saying. There's a reason we have people in power - to regulate, to protect, to lead. In this case, chosen by the majority even.
If the Ossetians wanted independence they should have taken it up in diplomatic missions with the UN and Georgia without taking up arms. Then, when they do have power they can ask for aide from Russia.

I wouldn't like it if one of the Dutch provinces decides to riot, go up against other citicens then ask Germany to help them in the fray...

I would elaborate further but I gotta get my bus home...



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To say you do not, I stay in my opinion ... you judge according to what you say and show ... you are biased ...
I live near the Black Sea, next to Obhaziey ... and I know more than you ...
Inaction when your neighbors are killed is much worse, than in the whole world is trying to accuse Russia ...
and after all that Georgia has made to make of it injured party is "clever move", perhaps Bush himself invented this ... rare idiot ... it is a real freak ...


Again I will have to call on hisotry to point out how many current countries right now solely exist, or some major properties of them simply are (like religion), because they received foreign aid when they rose up against their governments. A lot of the European Protestant countries fall under this, as well as the US, most of South America, in fact many places which were occupied at one time by Europe have benefited from foreign aid to separate.

P.S. Seeing how you are not from the US and from Europe I guess I will start using a bit more European examples. Also I editted my last post to try and answer some of your points.

 

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@Ziss

I doubt Bush can have engineered anything more complex than a landscape using those Legoes that are3 years of age or less, Duplo. You are just giving him oo much credit now.



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ziss said:

@Esmoreit

Then you can tell me why the western media did not say no word about that Georgia attacked Ossetia and there is genocide Ossetian people?

Why silent? And even then broadcast began when Russian troops broke the Georgian army from Ossetia ...
This is all information warfare, which Russia lost, unfortunately ...
And if Russia did not intervene, the Georgian army cut the entire Ossetian people and I am more than confident that the west would be made in either the word about this ...

 

Ziss, they did. Here in Finland, YLE monitored the situation through it's correspondents since early August, before Georgia had moved/ been baited into moving. And I'm pretty damn sure that Finnish media wasn't the only neutral party keeping track of things.

Also, cut down on the emotionalism. If you wish to support Russians in this, that's fine, but at least try to look at the bigger picture from all sides of the issue before you revert to your "Russland uber alles" - tirade.

Every side of this conflict has blood on their hands - Georgia, South Ossetia and Russia. Russia certainly isn't the hero in this one, like you prefer to believe.

 



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there was no genocide commited by the georgians. under 100 people dead, most being fighters is not genocide.



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ziss said:
100? You thought himself?

 

i dont understand what you're trying to say

if you are questioning the number, its what independant groups that have gone into the area have said.



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^I understood him just fine, as did esmoreit. Don't try to discredit people just because they don't have perfect english. Bet you that he probably knows more Russian than you.



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