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Ocarina of Time 105 58.33%
 
Final Fantasy 7 75 41.67%
 
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SammyGiireal said:
Hynad said:

I am hating on it because I find flaws in it. Because I don’t, and never have,  praise it like it’s the second coming the way so many of you do. Sure buddy. Sure.

I played the game on the N64 back when it came out. And my opinion of it has been consistent since then.

And I am not basing my opinion of it based on a stupid metacritic score that was put after the fact, despite most reviews for the game having been mostly in printed magazines. Unlike current games, it is impossible to get a correct metacritic score because reviews used for the aggregate aren’t all readily available. Some magazine went out of business, for example. So you make of this whatever you will. 

But I’ll reiterate: I don’t need you or anyone else to form myself an opinion of something. What I mention being flaws, you can overlook them all you want, the framerate wasn’t flawless and you already admitted as much.

So even if only based on this, the game wasn’t flawless. I don’t need to do like you and put a blindfold. I played the game in 1998, and I thought as much of it back then.

Interestingly enough, I am not saying the game is bad in any way. Just that it has flaws. And you take this as hating. This is making me laugh.

Interestingly enough even in their own era, it scored higher than FFVII. It was and remains better than it. 24fps wasn't a flaw, that's how most games ran on the N64. It wasn't noticeable then. You talk about not executing the concepts well enough, because WW and TP improved upon it (according to you). Well FFVII was improved upon by FFIX (except the story) games get refinements over time.  But in their era, Ocarina was not only much more impressive a game, but was the definition of a masterpiece. 

Your opinion is in the minority, especially when it comes to control and headache inducing framerate. I don't remember getting headaches from it, but then again some people get seizures while playing games.

Final Fantasy VII was called "quite possibly the greatest game ever made" when it came out. Many outlets from that time praised it to no end, and there was nothing bigger than that game when it came out. Even players who weren’t interested in that type of games prior to its release, were intrigued by it and got into it.

So what will it be? It came out prior to Zelda, so you should apply your reasoning and also say that "for its time it was exceptional and a masterpiece. No other games was doing what it did when it came out."

Or do you only reserve this kind of arguments when it suits you?

And yes, 24fps was a flaw ( especially considering it wasn’t even a steady 24fps). It made the game stutter. The same way games that stutter are considered flawed these days. Mario 64 ran at mostly 30fps. Most games were locked at 20, which is better than 24, since it is a multiple of 60, most TV’s refresh rate.

Couple the stuttering fps with the muddy visuals, and yes, my eyes never really enjoyed playing such games on the N64.

Thankfully, the Cube addressed all of that, and most games were locked at either 30 or 60. The N64 was simply chewing more than it could with many of its games, from a technical point of view.

Last edited by Hynad - on 19 February 2020

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Hynad said:
SammyGiireal said:

Interestingly enough even in their own era, it scored higher than FFVII. It was and remains better than it. 24fps wasn't a flaw, that's how most games ran on the N64. It wasn't noticeable then. You talk about not executing the concepts well enough, because WW and TP improved upon it (according to you). Well FFVII was improved upon by FFIX (except the story) games get refinements over time.  But in their era, Ocarina was not only much more impressive a game, but was the definition of a masterpiece. 

Your opinion is in the minority, especially when it comes to control and headache inducing framerate. I don't remember getting headaches from it, but then again some people get seizures while playing games.

Final Fantasy VII was called "quite possibly the greatest game ever made" when it came out. Many outlets from that time praised it to no end, and there was nothing bigger than that game when it came out. Even players who weren’t interested in that type of games prior to its release, were intrigued by it and got into it.

So what will it be? It came out prior to Zelda, so you should apply your reasoning and also say that "for its time it was exceptional and a masterpiece. No other games was doing what it did when it came out."

Or do you only reserve this kind of arguments when it suits you?

Never said FFVII was a bad game. In fact I have said it is my 3rd best game from that era (behind OoT and Mario 64). It was well recieved you quoted an IGN review I believe, and it got a 9.5 which was about right, the same source gave OoT at 10.0, clearly the better game, which is what this argument is about. 

If you see my posts I rightly praised VII. On the other hand you were very biased against OoT. Pointing out "flaws" that  pretty much exist only in your view of the game, which again is in the minority. I understand you are a FFVII fan, but you don't have to throw shade at Ocarina. I played the game in 1998 not long after I had played VII. I know what I saw. 

FFVII set a new standard in story telling and presentation for its genre and did kickstart a booming era for JRPGs. Ocarina of Time set a standard for gaming as a whole, and that's why it got all of those 10s.



SammyGiireal said:

Never said FFVII was a bad game. In fact I have said it is my 3rd best game from that era (behind OoT and Mario 64). It was well recieved you quoted an IGN review I believe, and it got a 9.5 which was about right, the same source gave OoT at 10.0, clearly the better game, which is what this argument is about. 

If you see my posts I rightly praised VII. On the other hand you were very biased against OoT. Pointing out "flaws" that  pretty much exist only in your view of the game, which again is in the minority. I understand you are a FFVII fan, but you don't have to throw shade at Ocarina. I played the game in 1998 not long after I had played VII. I know what I saw. 

FFVII set a new standard in story telling and presentation for its genre and did kickstart a booming era for JRPGs. Ocarina of Time set a standard for gaming as a whole, and that's why it got all of those 10s.

Pointing flaws isn’t throwing shades. LMAO!

Fuck sake, quit the cool-aid already.

And again, you base your argument on other people’s opinion. Can you think by yourself?

Oh right, when we think by ourselves, you call us haters...



Hynad said:
SammyGiireal said:

Never said FFVII was a bad game. In fact I have said it is my 3rd best game from that era (behind OoT and Mario 64). It was well recieved you quoted an IGN review I believe, and it got a 9.5 which was about right, the same source gave OoT at 10.0, clearly the better game, which is what this argument is about. 

If you see my posts I rightly praised VII. On the other hand you were very biased against OoT. Pointing out "flaws" that  pretty much exist only in your view of the game, which again is in the minority. I understand you are a FFVII fan, but you don't have to throw shade at Ocarina. I played the game in 1998 not long after I had played VII. I know what I saw. 

FFVII set a new standard in story telling and presentation for its genre and did kickstart a booming era for JRPGs. Ocarina of Time set a standard for gaming as a whole, and that's why it got all of those 10s.

Pointing flaws isn’t throwing shades. LMAO!

Fuck sake, quit the cool-aid already.

Pointing flaws that are only in your head is. Its your opinion and everyone has one. But yours is not a representation of most who played the game, mine is. There is no Kool aid, just telling the truth. Because you are willing to quote a source that gave FFVII a 9.5, but the same source gave Ocarina a 10.0 it goes both ways bro. IGN, EGM, etc weren't drinking the Kool Aid bro, if they were they also drank it for FFVII.



SammyGiireal said:
Hynad said:

Pointing flaws isn’t throwing shades. LMAO!

Fuck sake, quit the cool-aid already.

Pointing flaws that are only in your head is. Its your opinion and everyone has one. But yours is not a representation of most who played the game, mine is. There is no Kool aid, just telling the truth. Because you are willing to quote a source that gave FFVII a 9.5, but the same source gave Ocarina a 10.0 it goes both ways bro. IGN, EGM, etc weren't drinking the Kool Aid bro, if they were they also drank it for FFVII.

It’s not in my head that the game is running at an unsteady frame rate.

What a stupid thing to say. 



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Hynad said:
SammyGiireal said:

Pointing flaws that are only in your head is. Its your opinion and everyone has one. But yours is not a representation of most who played the game, mine is. There is no Kool aid, just telling the truth. Because you are willing to quote a source that gave FFVII a 9.5, but the same source gave Ocarina a 10.0 it goes both ways bro. IGN, EGM, etc weren't drinking the Kool Aid bro, if they were they also drank it for FFVII.

It’s not in my head that the game is running at an unsteady frame rate.

What a stupid thing to say. 

24 fps wasn't uncommon in that era for N64 games ( it was very estable at that) Most people didn't  have an issue with it (clearly), only you. I understand the headaches clouded your view of the game.  Its okay bro, I am sorry the condition didn't let you enjoy the greatest game of all time (at the time of its release) to the fullest. But Time heals wounds, and perhaps someday you will see the light. 



Hynad said:
SammyGiireal said:

Pointing flaws that are only in your head is. Its your opinion and everyone has one. But yours is not a representation of most who played the game, mine is. There is no Kool aid, just telling the truth. Because you are willing to quote a source that gave FFVII a 9.5, but the same source gave Ocarina a 10.0 it goes both ways bro. IGN, EGM, etc weren't drinking the Kool Aid bro, if they were they also drank it for FFVII.

It’s not in my head that the game is running at an unsteady frame rate.

What a stupid thing to say. 

I mean, if you want to complain about the frame rate, it goes the same way with FFVII. Its battles are painfully slow, kind of hard not to play the game with a speed booster these days. To be blatantly honest, neither of the two games as they are hold up for this reason. 



My bet with The_Liquid_Laser: I think the Switch won't surpass the PS2 as the best selling system of all time. If it does, I'll play a game of a list that The_Liquid_Laser will provide, I will have to play it for 50 hours or complete it, whatever comes first. 

SammyGiireal said:
Hynad said:

It’s not in my head that the game is running at an unsteady frame rate.

What a stupid thing to say. 

24 fps wasn't uncommon in that era for N64 games ( it was very estable at that) Most people didn't  have an issue with it (clearly), only you. I understand the headaches clouded your view of the game.  Its okay bro, I am sorry the condition didn't let you enjoy the greatest game of all time (at the time of its release) to the fullest. But Time heals wounds, and perhaps someday you will see the light. 

My gosh, you’re in deeper than I thought.



@Hynad, how can you call out Ocarina of Time for its framerate and saying things like "N64 was chewing more than it could"... when FF VII on PS struggled to keep 20 FPS on battles? Are you serious? xD

It's hilarious the arguments some of you people choose to defened Final Fantasy VII. Instead of reminding people what that game did well (and there sure are many things it did great), you keep throwing bullshit like a framerate war were FF VII at best TIES with OoT and at worse LOSES, try to downplay OoT gameplay because "it was improved by future games" and is not as refined as modern action adventure games when that can be said for almost every 5th gen game including FF VII... among other dumb stuff of similar caliber.

Seriously, you are not doing FF VII any favour...



Metallox said:
Hynad said:

It’s not in my head that the game is running at an unsteady frame rate.

What a stupid thing to say. 

I mean, if you want to complain about the frame rate, it goes the same way with FFVII. Its battles are painfully slow, kind of hard not to play the game with a speed booster these days. To be blatantly honest, neither of the two games as they are hold up for this reason. 

Exactly. Though I think OoT aged well, and I actually reviewed FFVII for Switch and gave it a 9.5. but in those days those were common framerates. Not a glaring flaw that kept the game from getting the 10s it got, and the 9.5s (in FFVII'S case).