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Eagle367 said:
Nautilus said:

*facepalm*

And its a lie because?Because the news source you read/watch tell you otherwise?The ones that are (probably) biased towards your own opinion regarding the world?

Do you even remember that Maduro rigged the elections?Or did the "Western Media"(lol) also lied about it?That internacional entities lied about it?That even bolivian entities lied about it?

Why are you mentioning Maduro? Are you sure you know what you're talking about? First get the name of the leader right. Second the American funded OAS said the Bolivian election was rigged before it even ended and no proof has been found from any source, only an illegitimate claim by a biased organization. The Americans who hate the Bolivian leader whose name you don't seem to remember fund the OAS so the bias is easy to know and understand. Other independent organisations didn't find any proof of that claim. Just like the lie about WMDs and the lie about chemical weapons attacks in Syria. And go read independent media not funded by large US corporations who love capitalism because it benefits them so much and hate socialism because it will affect their bottomline.

Go read the intercept for one. Research what code pink does. Why do you trust CNN, BBC, MSNBC or WaPo or new York times? They have blatantly lied about Bernie Sanders so why should you trust them? They are clearly biased because capitalism benefits them a lot and many of their tv personalities are millionaires because of it and they are owned by large media conglomerates that benefit them. Show me that same conflict of interest in the intercept.

That's why I trust different news sources for different stories, RT is not gonna say something negative about Russia but they will have no problem reporting truths that are anti-american. Al Jazeera might not tell the whole truth about Qatar, but they do a fine job on almost anything else, hell might be the best of the bunch. CNN might lie when US imperialist Corporatist interests are involved but they might be the best source on other stories. I consider biases when reading the stories and take what news papers and other news sources feed me with a huge grain of salt and then make my own judgement. Can't say the same for you since you can't even get the leader right. 

Next time ask yourself why CNN would tell the truth about Syria or Bolivia? Why would RT not tell the truth about something that makes the US look bad. What motive would code pink have for standing against US imperialism other than just being against US imperialism. Why would Assange leak bad stuff about Russia if he is working with Russians. Why would WikiLeaks be filled with info on all countries indiscriminately if he works for one of those countries? I know it's easier to buy the US imperialist propaganda but looking at all stories from all angles and making your decision based on that is the best policy. Get as much data as you have time for. That's how I know.

And my team as you say is humanity. I make my politics centered on what helps the list people, not selfish old me, unlike the US government. And it's not a conspiracy theory that the US has invaded countries, democratic countries just for supporting USSR or thinking about socialism or communism. It's in history books. Ask a historian about that and manifest destiny. I condemn any country invading a sovereign nation that has a different political belief system than you solely because of money, power and a superiority complex. The US has caused much harm to the world and this is just the latest example. This is class warfare and the rich did start this class warfare long before either of us were born. Anyone who chooses money and power over people is my enemy. I just realised what the best system for humanity is and I just have the privilege of knowing the hypocrisy of world leaders all over and not buying the propaganda of any one nation like you gobble up western imperialism. 

Oh yeah, its morales.Sorry, confused one dictator with another.

But your wall of text is really funny.It all boilds down to "You believe all these big news outlets?Hah!Fool!You dont know the truth because you dont read/watch/hear the ACTUAL truth from the news outlets that I actually like!" And then you go and name the Intercept, run by the moron Gleen Greenwald(who "clearly"[sarcasm intended] isnt biased for left centric governments, given all the damage he has done in Brazil), which no one takes seriously, as an example of a media(which is western based, ironically lol) thats "serious" about journalism.

And there iss also all that garbage about US imperialism and how they want to just to disrupt America... I mean, every country wants to be number one, and sometimes they dont play nice to reach that, but cmon.Anyone reading what you wrote here knows that just conspiracy theory nonsense.

And with that, Im done.Since you clearly dont bring anything relevant and that has a shred of truth to it, not to mention that you simply ignored the fact in your wall of text about Morales rigging the election(The part that you dismiss the external organization jut because its supported by the US(Im trusting you on this) is simply hilarious.Not to mention that the Bolivian entities also proved the fraud), its pretty clear who won the argument.

Oh, and I dont watch/read US centric news source.Not everyone is american you know.And wanna know what?Everyone says the same thing:Morales was a dictator, and that election was a fraud.



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fatslob-:O said:
Eagle367 said:

By rule of law, you mean a brutal murder by the military that is supported by US imperialists then yes. And I would much rather defend such a man, who mind you made his country better and who was much more a democratic leader than the current bozos who run the country and who we willing protestors and most likely gonna impose a dictatorship. The man you describe is much better than the new idiot "ruler" of Bolivia, bolsanaro, Boris Johnson, netenyahu, MBS and Trump. 

The plain simple fact is that the US had NEARLY NOTHING to do with the coup. The US was at it's most a cheerleader on the side so the military came to the decision independent of US stance ... 

Nothing is going to change the fact that Evo Morales is a criminal who dodged the justice system and just like Peru's former president who also attempted to escape from the justice system ... 

Evo Morales needs to be extradited and brought into court to face trial just like every other civilized country out there. What Evo Morales showed was a display of cowardice to avoid facing the rule of law, not bravery unlike the others you mentioned (aside from MBS) who won't hide from their courts when necessary ... 

The irony, trump and Netenyahu are literally trying everything not to face the rule of law and I'm sure Modhi, MBS and Bolsanaro would do the same. And it does have something to do with the US. Without US support, the military of Bolivia wouldn't dare do the coup. A coup and bought out court isn't facing justice, it's facing a massacre. If you think the US doesn't have anything to do with this other than being a cheerleader, you're an Idiot. There's probably CIA agents standing side by side with Bolivian military making sure everything goes according to plan. The US has done this countless times. Do you want to happen to Morales what happened to Gaddafi? Because that's not justice, that's US's warning to anyone who goes against the empire and the petrodollar. You guys are so privileged you have no idea how global politics work. 



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Nautilus said:
Eagle367 said:

Why are you mentioning Maduro? Are you sure you know what you're talking about? First get the name of the leader right. Second the American funded OAS said the Bolivian election was rigged before it even ended and no proof has been found from any source, only an illegitimate claim by a biased organization. The Americans who hate the Bolivian leader whose name you don't seem to remember fund the OAS so the bias is easy to know and understand. Other independent organisations didn't find any proof of that claim. Just like the lie about WMDs and the lie about chemical weapons attacks in Syria. And go read independent media not funded by large US corporations who love capitalism because it benefits them so much and hate socialism because it will affect their bottomline.

Go read the intercept for one. Research what code pink does. Why do you trust CNN, BBC, MSNBC or WaPo or new York times? They have blatantly lied about Bernie Sanders so why should you trust them? They are clearly biased because capitalism benefits them a lot and many of their tv personalities are millionaires because of it and they are owned by large media conglomerates that benefit them. Show me that same conflict of interest in the intercept.

That's why I trust different news sources for different stories, RT is not gonna say something negative about Russia but they will have no problem reporting truths that are anti-american. Al Jazeera might not tell the whole truth about Qatar, but they do a fine job on almost anything else, hell might be the best of the bunch. CNN might lie when US imperialist Corporatist interests are involved but they might be the best source on other stories. I consider biases when reading the stories and take what news papers and other news sources feed me with a huge grain of salt and then make my own judgement. Can't say the same for you since you can't even get the leader right. 

Next time ask yourself why CNN would tell the truth about Syria or Bolivia? Why would RT not tell the truth about something that makes the US look bad. What motive would code pink have for standing against US imperialism other than just being against US imperialism. Why would Assange leak bad stuff about Russia if he is working with Russians. Why would WikiLeaks be filled with info on all countries indiscriminately if he works for one of those countries? I know it's easier to buy the US imperialist propaganda but looking at all stories from all angles and making your decision based on that is the best policy. Get as much data as you have time for. That's how I know.

And my team as you say is humanity. I make my politics centered on what helps the list people, not selfish old me, unlike the US government. And it's not a conspiracy theory that the US has invaded countries, democratic countries just for supporting USSR or thinking about socialism or communism. It's in history books. Ask a historian about that and manifest destiny. I condemn any country invading a sovereign nation that has a different political belief system than you solely because of money, power and a superiority complex. The US has caused much harm to the world and this is just the latest example. This is class warfare and the rich did start this class warfare long before either of us were born. Anyone who chooses money and power over people is my enemy. I just realised what the best system for humanity is and I just have the privilege of knowing the hypocrisy of world leaders all over and not buying the propaganda of any one nation like you gobble up western imperialism. 

Oh yeah, its morales.Sorry, confused one dictator with another.

But your wall of text is really funny.It all boilds down to "You believe all these big news outlets?Hah!Fool!You dont know the truth because you dont read/watch/hear the ACTUAL truth from the news outlets that I actually like!" And then you go and name the Intercept, run by the moron Gleen Greenwald(who "clearly"[sarcasm intended] isnt biased for left centric governments, given all the damage he has done in Brazil), which no one takes seriously, as an example of a media(which is western based, ironically lol) thats "serious" about journalism.

And there iss also all that garbage about US imperialism and how they want to just to disrupt America... I mean, every country wants to be number one, and sometimes they dont play nice to reach that, but cmon.Anyone reading what you wrote here knows that just conspiracy theory nonsense.

And with that, Im done.Since you clearly dont bring anything relevant and that has a shred of truth to it, not to mention that you simply ignored the fact in your wall of text about Morales rigging the election(The part that you dismiss the external organization jut because its supported by the US(Im trusting you on this) is simply hilarious.Not to mention that the Bolivian entities also proved the fraud), its pretty clear who won the argument.

Oh, and I dont watch/read US centric news source.Not everyone is american you know.And wanna know what?Everyone says the same thing:Morales was a dictator, and that election was a fraud.

Which Bolivian entities? The military? Or the right wing witch hunters? And don't bring up a hypothetical everyone to pretend like my argument is such a fringe idea because you know who else called it a coup? Bernie Sanders, Jeremy Corbyn and AOC, among other people. And I didn't just say I don't read the big news news organisations because I don't like them. Read what I said moron. I said conflict of interest and bias. I mentioned how and where I would trust CNN, Russia Today, Al Jazeera, BBC and others and where I wouldn't trust them. You have mentioned none of your sources but I've shared mine and the biases they hold, I have said multiple sources and if you actually bothered looking at the record of the intercept, you would see they are much more accurate and they aren't funded by billionaires who have a motive in supporting capitalism to their dying breath. I said I don't trust them in this case because I know the bias they hold. I wouldn't trust them on Syria or the middle east either. Just like I wouldn't trust Indian news on Kashmir or Pakistani news on Balochistan and more. I told you I look at multiple sources their biases and them decide. Another source would be the guardian, the 800 professors who wrote against US support of the brutal coup and new regime, common dreams and others. Tell me this, would you trust RT on news about Russia and Putin? No right. Then why do you trust CNN. They've lied before about Bernie Sanders, about the Iraq war, about CIA crimes against humanity, about the Syria war and others. It's a clear conflict of interest. 

You are just ignoring the actual points I made and not addressing the real issues I'm pointing out, coming up with vague undescript "everyone" arguments and pretending you are so smart eating all that propaganda up. It's not a conspiracy when you;be lived it. I've been on the other side of US imperialism and I can see them for the frauds that the US MSM is about things related to western imperialism because they have said one thing and I have seen and heard other things from my own damn community.



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Eagle367 said:

The irony, trump and Netenyahu are literally trying everything not to face the rule of law and I'm sure Modhi, MBS and Bolsanaro would do the same. And it does have something to do with the US. Without US support, the military of Bolivia wouldn't dare do the coup. A coup and bought out court isn't facing justice, it's facing a massacre. If you think the US doesn't have anything to do with this other than being a cheerleader, you're an Idiot. There's probably CIA agents standing side by side with Bolivian military making sure everything goes according to plan. The US has done this countless times. Do you want to happen to Morales what happened to Gaddafi? Because that's not justice, that's US's warning to anyone who goes against the empire and the petrodollar. You guys are so privileged you have no idea how global politics work. 

As for Trump or Netanyahu, it's for the Republicans and the Likud respectively to decide their fates in the courts. A similar deal holds for Modi, Bolsanaro, & etc aside from MBS who lives in a state of absolute monarchy ... 

The US couldn't really give too shits about Bolivia specifically since to them they're one of the many other illiberal democracies out there. US 'support' is nothing more than mere 'words' and everything else from then on is a conspiracy theory. Consider this, there was NO EVIDENCE PHYSICAL PRESENCE of American intervention in Bolivia so you accusing CIA agents standing side by side with the Bolivian military is #FAKENEWS ... 

Many of those leaders you've mentioned will be properly scrutinized by the rule of law and may even face a real possibility of going to prison like Netanyahu but can you truly say the same thing for Evo Morales who is currently hiding in cowardice from the law ? When is Evo Morales going to come into the light to face judgement ? Who is going to determine whether his actions were righteous or not ? You ?



fatslob-:O said:
Eagle367 said:

The irony, trump and Netenyahu are literally trying everything note to face the rule of law and I'm sure Modhi, MBS and Bolsanaro would do the same. And it does have something to do with the US. Without US support, the military of Bolivia wouldn't dare do the coup. A coup and bought out court isn't facing justice, it's facing a massacre. If you think the US doesn't have anything to do with this other than being a cheerleader, you're an Idiot. There's probably CIA agents standing side by side with Bolivian military making sure everything goes according to plan. The US has done this countless times. Do you want to happen to Morales what happened to Gaddafi? Because that's not justice, that's US's warning to anyone who goes against the empire and the petrodollar. You guys are so privileged you have no idea how global politics work. 

As for Trump or Netanyahu, it's for the Republicans and the Likud respectively to decide their fates in the courts. A similar deal holds for Modi, Bolsanaro, & etc aside from MBS who lives in a state of absolute monarchy ... 

The US couldn't really give too shits about Bolivia specifically since to them they're one of the many other illiberal democracies out there. US 'support' is nothing more than mere 'words' and everything else from then on is a conspiracy theory. Consider this, there was NO EVIDENCE PHYSICAL PRESENCE of American intervention in Bolivia so you accusing CIA agents standing side by side with the Bolivian military is #FAKENEWS ... 

Many of those leaders you've mentioned will be properly scrutinized by the rule of law and may even face a real possibility of going to prison like Netanyahu but can you truly say the same thing for Evo Morales who is currently hiding in cowardice from the law ? When is Evo Morales going to come into the light to face judgement ? Who is going to determine whether his actions were righteous or not ? You ?

Did the courts indict Evo Morales? No. Who did? The new right wing official under the military's express instructions. That's not facing justice, that's facing death. You keep mentioning justice but forget the military told him to resign, not any legal channel. What's happening in Bolivia is 100% extrajudicial so what law is he facing? Not the Bolivian law but maybe martial law. Netenyahu has been investigated by a neutral party under normal circumstances of the Israeli law. Likud will not decide his fate, the courts will. Trump is facing impeachment, the most constitutional thing a Congress can do. Imagine if the US military asked Donald Trump to resign? There is not justice with Morales returning home, only an unjust extrajudicial death. I can't believe the hypocrisy of you people who supposedly support democracy and rule of law. NO PHYSICAL EVIDENCE of election rigging in Bolivia exists as well. And no one indicted hi, under normal regular channels of Bolivian law. I don't have proof of CIA you're right but call it past experience with how CIA does it's dealings. Decades from now when no one cares, unclassified documents will show what the truth is. 

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Eagle367 said:
DonFerrari said:

You read minds and the future to ensure even other people wouldn't defend them?

Have I defended her? Nope. Haven't said a single good thing about her. And also said that by me you can mock anyone you want for any motive.

What I pointed out was that mocking her for being christian is free pass while doing the same to other religion would be met with criticism by several of the same people doing it against christians.

Islam on the creation already had jihad constructed into it. So what would be in tune with Islam be?

And sure there are plenty of good people who are islamic, and also plenty of bad people that are christians. Also yes you can blame UK for not supporting the better or less violent islamic leaders. I pretty much believe that when islam evolves to be a smaller aspect of the lifes of the people in countries majorly islamic like christianity evolved in western countries. If one look at the bible certainly will find plenty of stuff justifying bad behavior and killing people.

Yes let's call everything fascism, that certainly explain everything.

Sorry but you don't understand Islam, Christianity or jihad. All you have is what the media fed to you, what your western centric narrative tells you and some loose definition of words and phrases you have never even tried understanding

Also brutal dictatorships that murder protestors  and destroy democracy fascist? Then what is?

Thank you bright one holder of all knowledge.

Fascism is something very specific, the fact that a dictatorship kill anyone that protest against it is basically what any dictatorship does. Is Cuba, Venezuela and China fascist?

Eagle367 said:
AsGryffynn said:

Your list is botched. You're referring to Chile (despite protests), Uruguay AND Argentina. 

Yes, Argentina at its worst will still be kilometers ahead of the rest. 

Colombia pre-Duque counted as well. Sadly, I'm here now and it seems Duque is going in reverse. 

This guy can't even get the name of the leader right. He keeps saying Maduro

Yes he having the name wrong totally invalidates his point. Kudos.



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Eagle367 said:

Did the courts indict Evo Morales? No. Who did? The new right wing official under the military's express instructions. That's not facing justice, that's facing death. You keep mentioning justice but forget the military told him to resign, not any legal channel. What's happening in Bolivia is 100% extrajudicial so what law is he facing? Not the Bolivian law but maybe martial law. Netenyahu has been investigated by a neutral party under normal circumstances of the Israeli law. Likud will not decide his fate, the courts will. Trump is facing impeachment, the most constitutional thing a Congress can do. Imagine if the US military asked Donald Trump to resign? There is not justice with Morales returning home, only an unjust extrajudicial death. I can't believe the hypocrisy of you people who supposedly support democracy and rule of law. NO PHYSICAL EVIDENCE of election rigging in Bolivia exists as well. And no one indicted hi, under normal regular channels of Bolivian law. I don't have proof of CIA you're right but call it past experience with how CIA does it's dealings. Decades from now when no one cares, unclassified documents will show what the truth is. 

Just because the military indicted Evo Morales does not mean that that he won't receive a fair trial in court ... 

Netanyahu has been investigated by a neutral party but it's unlikely the courts will settle the issue so he's hanging by his own party's lifeline. As for Trump, he hasn't been impeached so that's for the Republicans to decide and that's also unlikely to happen either. At least the US military is content with Trump not breaching the constitution so far while the same can't be said of Evo Morales who breached the term limits as enshrined in the Bolivian constitution and is also accused of terrorism on tape ... 

As far as no 'physical' evidence of election rigging that's not consistent with OAS claims who found "clear manipulation" in Bolivia's voting system ... 

At the end of the day you are justifying cowardice for a fugitive not showing up in court to be tried for his potential crimes and not even his own party supports him anymore! 

How about that ? The Movement for Socialists promised to attest to the findings by OAS to audit the previous election results so it's not only just a right-wing military coup but it's also a left-wing political coup by his own party or a bipartisan coup to recognize that he is the illegitimate president of Bolivia ...  



Nautilus said:
Player2 said:

This is funny, because if you switch left and right, it describes you and DonFerrari.

You'll never see Jumpin, OTBWY or me defend Maduro, Dilma Roussef, Cristina Kirchner or Felipe González meanwhile you two are the ones defending a religious fanatic getting into power through a military coup.

OTBWY was defending Maduro.But thats neither here or there.

All I ever said is that she is very likely to be better than Maduro(whcih isnt hard, mind you), simply because she is 1 week in in her new job, leading a country thats beyond broke.

Me and Donferrari are no extremists, and probably neither are you guys.It just baffles me that, because we are "celebrating" the fall of a dictator basically by the peoples demand(again, the people wanted him out, the military just gave him an ultimatum.And lets be honest, given the fraudulent election, he would never have left the power otherwise).

And just out of the curiosity:What would you call what Maduro did rigging the elections?Democracy?

I wasn't defending Maduro, no matter who gets ousted or whatnot, leaders still can be incompetent. However, that doesn't take away that Guaido and all the other coup attempts come out of the US's playbook. Just like Bolivia. Like a bad script.

It's all about these countries' resources. Keeping the natives down, keeping the wealth in the hands of a few rich white upper class families and making sure that the US is served. 

If you want to misrepresent me, that is fine. But at least my foreign policy isn't aligned with right wing neocons in the US. Or types like Fatslob. And with that Player2 is right. We have come to a point where, one hates socialism so much, that he/she approves of religious theocratic regimes established through violent military coups. 



darkenergy said:
I live in the USA and the biggest terrorist organization is our very own CIA, this coup is happening because of them. Hell we have been fucking up Latin America for decades.

But hey! It won't happen again!! Not in this day and age!!

Honest!



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