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Why do so many assume that Joel's dead? Because of the revenge plot?



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Summerset said:
Why do so many assume that Joel's dead? Because of the revenge plot?

No idea, from this trailer it seems pretty obvious who the revenge plot is actually about, assuming that isn't misdirection. I'm pretty certain Joel isn't dead lol.



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Summerset said:
Why do so many assume that Joel's dead? Because of the revenge plot?

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KLXVER said:
Xxain said:

Joel is Dead. Figment of her imagination.

I don't know. Why would she remember him looking worse than in the first game? He looks really beat down here.

Older, you mean?
Well if he died years after the original, it makes sense that he'd be portrayed the way she last remembered him.

I also think Joel is dead, because he seems conspicuously absent in every scene of the trailers, except for one standout moment.
And if that's the case, I think Naughty Dog are making it too obvious, by presumably feeling the need to vaguely hint this to us, so that we'll look back and go "Ahh, I should have realized." But I feel it's not vague at all. So I hope I'm wrong.

But I feel like the plot twist might be something like this:

*Potential spoilers*

At some point early-ish in the game, her girlfriend gets killed. Maybe during the scene where Ellie is held down by some thugs and someone gets shot.



Ellie will then go into her "I'm going to kill every last one of them" phase, and we'll assume she is talking about her dead girlfriend, because she just died. She'll team up with Joel to take down the enemy. But then later on in the game it'll be revealed that Joel was killed a long time ago.
Perhaps we'll find out during a crucial moment where we think Joel is with her and can help her, but turns out he's actually not there, and can't help. And that the scene where Ellie said she was going to "kill every last one of them" was actually a flashback that happened before her girlfriend got killed. And that she was referring to Joel's death.

This is probably too specific to be accurate, but something along those lines.

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But I feel like the plot twist might be something like this:

*Potential spoilers*

At some point early-ish in the game, Elly will lose someone close to her. Probably her girlfriend. Perhaps when we see someone getting shot in the new trailer while Elly is held down by some thugs.



Elly will then go into her "I'm going to kill every last one of them" phase, and we'll assume she is talking about her dead girlfriend. She'll team up with Joel to take down the enemy.

But then later on in the game it'll be revealed that Joel was killed a long time ago. Perhaps during a crucial moment where we think Joel is with her and can help her, but turns out he's actually not there, and can't help. And that the scene where Elly said she was going to "kill every last one of them" was actually a flashback that happened before her girlfriend got killed. And that she was referring to Joel's death.

This is probably too specific to be accurate, but something along those lines.

I thought they just haven't seen each other in a while...maybe she cut ties with him, because she found out, what really happend at the end of the first part.

It's an interesting theory, but i think he's alive. Mostly because he interacts physically with her in the trailer and there's bit where Elly sits on the passenger seat (and gets attacked) while presumably some else is driving. The second "evidence" is a far stretch, but i'd put my money on Joel.



Joel being dead/Or dying early on in the game would be such a cliche that I dont think Naughty Dog would do it. Hopefully he is just gonna be sidelined to give Ellie the full focus.

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Summerset said:

But I feel like the plot twist might be something like this:

*Potential spoilers*

At some point early-ish in the game, Elly will lose someone close to her. Probably her girlfriend. Perhaps when we see someone getting shot in the new trailer while Elly is held down by some thugs.



Elly will then go into her "I'm going to kill every last one of them" phase, and we'll assume she is talking about her dead girlfriend. She'll team up with Joel to take down the enemy.

But then later on in the game it'll be revealed that Joel was killed a long time ago. Perhaps during a crucial moment where we think Joel is with her and can help her, but turns out he's actually not there, and can't help. And that the scene where Elly said she was going to "kill every last one of them" was actually a flashback that happened before her girlfriend got killed. And that she was referring to Joel's death.

This is probably too specific to be accurate, but something along those lines.

I thought they just haven't seen each other in a while...maybe she cut ties with him, because she found out, what really happend at the end of the first part.

It's an interesting theory, but i think he's alive. Mostly because he interacts physically with her in the trailer and there's bit where Elly sits on the passenger seat (and gets attacked) while presumably some else is driving. The second "evidence" is a far stretch, but i'd put my money on Joel.

About the physical interaction, have you seen Fight Club?
I've seen popular movies/games where someone is imagining physical interactions with someone who is not physically there, but it is visually represented as an actual interaction to us, to throw us off.
I've also seen works where a person imagines a different face/body than what they're actually looking at.

So that scene where Joel grabs her could be imagination, or an entirely different person that Ellie projects as Joel.

As for the car, that would seem to imply that someone else is driving. We do see her go off on an adventure with her girlfriend on horseback, so maybe she, Tommy or someone else is with her in the.
Though it could also be Joel. Whether he is alive, or it's a flashback presented as if it is currently happening. I'll have to pay attention to small details on Ellie, such as if she is wearing a different piece of clothing. Like if she has Joel's broken watch in some scenes, but not in others.

It always seems weird how Joel is presented in the trailers. Not only is his absence, but they don't even mention him.
If it's only a rift between Joel and Ellie, you'd think they'd at least mention him in some way.

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Sarkar said:
EricHiggin said:

This makes me think either PS5 is coming well before Nov 2020, or that a Nov 2020 launch is going to have sufficient new first party titles and won't really require relying on games like TLOU2 to push early sales.

The new trailer looks sooo darn good and leaves me wanting more. A lengthy, well written, in depth story is exactly what I needed to hear.

Why is this even a thing? The games Sony has announced for PS4 are for the PS4, you'll be able to play them on PS5 through BC but Sony's not gonna use these to sell PS5s.

Horizon Zero Dawn came out in early 2017, when PS5 comes out next year it will have been almost 4 years, GG can certainly have a sequel ready in that time if they made the first one in 5 years. Not to mention by all accounts the next gen consoles are helping cutdown on development time.

Then Gran Turismo 7 should also be good to go. A title from Studio Japan. Perhaps the Demon's Souls remake by Bluepoint. I think those 4 at or during the launch window as in from November 2020- Early 2021 would be a pretty good launch without having to rely on PS4 games.

So you agree with the either or the or, or both? I'd like to ask why this is even a thing but...



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Joel might be dead, but Ellie just doesn't seem like the type going insane with grief and seeing dead people. I just think that seems a bit out of character for her.