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Guys The title of the thread I didn't do I copied Link header that made that title. And the 2 paragraphs I also copied from pushsquare . Um none in title thread or both paragraphs was from me :(. Now that I think about it what is wrong with push square talking like that to there parent company?but yeah , none from me :)



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Eh its business as usual. Im getting the PS5 anyway.



Conina said:
Bandorr said:

"I'm not sure you even know what a timed exclusive is..."

"They were exclusive, but now they are not exclusive anymore"

So yes you don't know what a timed exclusive is.  You completely missed the "timed" part.

Just pointing this out so in the future when you wonder why people think you have no clue what you are talking about - this is why.

So which time frame is "timed"? Feel free to explain for every title I listed why they aren't timed exclusives. "Game A doesn't count because the release differece is less than x months". "Game B doesn't count because the release differece is more than x months".

By the way... The "timed" part of "Rise of the Tomb Raider" on Xbox wasn't a year, it was three months. Then the PC version was released and the "timed" part ended.

Just pointing this out so in the future when you wonder why people think you have no clue what you are talking about - this is why.

Alas you quoted my post before I changed it. Trying to make it less rude.

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/ps4-pc-get-xbox-timed-exclusive-rise-of-the-tomb-r/1100-6429137/

Square Enix notes the game will be a console exclusive "for one year after its initial launch."

IE we knew when the game came out for XBox that it would come to Playstation a year later. That is what made it a timed exclusive.

we KNEW it was exclusive at the beginning. and we KNEW it wouldn't be a certain time later.

Thus it was a "timed exclusive". And why people are against "timed exclusives".

Rise of the tomb raider was coming to PS. Then XBOX stepped in because they needed something to compete against uncharted(which went horribly and hilariously wrong. Uncharted got moved and Xbox competed against Fallout which they also had a deal with).

It was content coming that got delayed. That is very different than a game coming out when a system DOESN'T EVEN EXIST YET.



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LudicrousSpeed said:

Nah I don't care about a game like Titanfall just like I don't care about paying for an exclusive like Bloodborne or Death Stranding. Personally I'd prefer to not see third party games moneyhatted but a timed exclusive is preferable to something like SFV that never comes to the other platforms.

How is Street Fighter V being permanently exclusive to PS4 and PC in any way different than Titanfall and Dead Rising 3 being permanently exclusive to XB1 and PC?

Listen, I agree that timed exclusivity and 3rd party moneyhats need to stop. But you guys have to be consistent. It doesn't make any sense to complain about the instances on PS4 and ignore the instances on XB1.



Replicant said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

Nah I don't care about a game like Titanfall just like I don't care about paying for an exclusive like Bloodborne or Death Stranding. Personally I'd prefer to not see third party games moneyhatted but a timed exclusive is preferable to something like SFV that never comes to the other platforms.

How is Street Fighter V being permanently exclusive to PS4 and PC in any way different than Titanfall and Dead Rising 3 being permanently exclusive to XB1 and PC?

Listen, I agree that timed exclusivity and 3rd party moneyhats need to stop. But you guys have to be consistent. It doesn't make any sense to complain about the instances on PS4 and ignore the instances on XB1.

In the case of DR3, because Capcom said the game was never going to happen without Microsoft. In the case of SFV, Capcom said it would have taken a long time without Sony. Not to mention you're talking about a pretty small time franchise versus Street Fighter. One franchise Capcom was going to let die without Microsoft support, the other you'd have to be an apologist to actually believe would have never happened had Sony not gotten involved.

Personal taste also plays a part in this. You won't see me complaining about Shenmue 3 exclusive stuff because frankly I don't give a shit about the game.

Titanfall is different and I've said on this forum numerous times that I wish PS4 users could have played it. But in that games case Microsoft was already heavily invested and EA struck a deal. If they made Jedi whatever Xbone exclusive I would also say that's a bum deal and PS4 owners should get to play it. Who are "you guys" exactly? I'm expressing my own opinion here.



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At the current pace, here's what the all-time top five best-selling home consoles will be by the end of the year:

1) PlayStation 2
2) PlayStation 4
3) PlayStation
4) Wii
5) PlayStation 3

Seeing a pattern here? Sony knows what they're doing! They usually win because they usually have the right focus: games. (It took them a while to get on that point with the PS3, but they figured it out once their initial arrogance caught up with them.) It's inescapable that the appeal of PlayStation systems has everything to do with the sheer volume of games that they offer in comparison to the competition. (It is a business, after all.) That and I think Sony's first-party titles have started to get pretty damn good over the last generation all in all.

Now the Switch's success is obviously different in nature since people seem to mostly buy a combination of indie games and first-party titles for it, not so much third-party releases, but I think most people approach the Switch as a secondary system specifically for Nintendo and indie games and already own a PS4 for other stuff. My point being that it's not actually a threat to Sony's market so much as Microsoft's systems are. There's a lot of overlap between PS4 owners and Switch owners, but not so much between PS4 owners and Xbox One owners.

So yeah, I think this shows that they've still got the gaming market in perspective.



Bandorr said:
Conina said:

So which time frame is "timed"? Feel free to explain for every title I listed why they aren't timed exclusives. "Game A doesn't count because the release differece is less than x months". "Game B doesn't count because the release differece is more than x months".

By the way... The "timed" part of "Rise of the Tomb Raider" on Xbox wasn't a year, it was three months. Then the PC version was released and the "timed" part ended.

Just pointing this out so in the future when you wonder why people think you have no clue what you are talking about - this is why.

Alas you quoted my post before I changed it. Trying to make it less rude.

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/ps4-pc-get-xbox-timed-exclusive-rise-of-the-tomb-r/1100-6429137/

Square Enix notes the game will be a console exclusive "for one year after its initial launch."

IE we knew when the game came out for XBox that it would come to Playstation a year later. That is what made it a timed exclusive.

we KNEW it was exclusive at the beginning. and we KNEW it wouldn't be a certain time later.

Thus it was a "timed exclusive". And why people are against "timed exclusives".

Rise of the tomb raider was coming to PS. Then XBOX stepped in because they needed something to compete against uncharted(which went horribly and hilariously wrong. Uncharted got moved and Xbox competed against Fallout which they also had a deal with).

It was content coming that got delayed. That is very different than a game coming out when a system DOESN'T EVEN EXIST YET.

What you don't seem to understand: there is a difference between moneyhatting and timed exclusivity.

Timed exclusivity is a broad definition. It doesn't matter if the exclusivity time frame gets announced or not. It also doesn't matter if someone pays for exclusivity or not.

ROTT was a timed console exclusive for 11 months, but only a timed exclusive for 3 months. "Timed console exclusives" is and intersection of "timed exclusives" and "console exclusives":

And why is the Crash Bandicoot N.Sane Trilogy not a timed exclusive? PS4 version in June 2017, PC+XBO versions in June 2018, so 12 months difference. PCs and XBOs EVEN EXISTED in June 2017.

And why is Detroit: Become Human not a timed exclusive? PS4 version in May 2018, PC version in autumn 2019, so 16 - 18 months difference. PCs EVEN EXISTED in May 2018.

And why is Batman: Arkham VR not a timed exclusive? PSVR version in October 2016, PCVR in April 2017, so 6 months difference. PCVR headsets and PCs EVEN EXISTED in October 2016.

And why is Moss not a timed exclusive? PSVR version in February 2018, PCVR in June 2018, so 4 months difference. PCVR headsets and PCs EVEN EXISTED in February 2018.

And why is Skyrim VR not a timed exclusive? PSVR version in November 2017, PCVR in April 2018, so 5 months difference. PCVR headsets and PCs EVEN EXISTED in November 2017.

And why are the listed DLCs no timed exclusive DLCs? For most of them the timed exclusivity was even announced.



BraLoD said:
VAMatt said:
That's unfortunate. Anti-gamer behavior like this needs to see more pushback. So, I'll put this as a check mark in XB's favor when trying to decide which next gen console to buy first.

Because MS is certainly not doing the same... sure.

They very well may be.  If we see evidence of it, I'll take their check mark away. 



Conina said:
Bandorr said:

Alas you quoted my post before I changed it. Trying to make it less rude.

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/ps4-pc-get-xbox-timed-exclusive-rise-of-the-tomb-r/1100-6429137/

Square Enix notes the game will be a console exclusive "for one year after its initial launch."

IE we knew when the game came out for XBox that it would come to Playstation a year later. That is what made it a timed exclusive.

we KNEW it was exclusive at the beginning. and we KNEW it wouldn't be a certain time later.

Thus it was a "timed exclusive". And why people are against "timed exclusives".

Rise of the tomb raider was coming to PS. Then XBOX stepped in because they needed something to compete against uncharted(which went horribly and hilariously wrong. Uncharted got moved and Xbox competed against Fallout which they also had a deal with).

It was content coming that got delayed. That is very different than a game coming out when a system DOESN'T EVEN EXIST YET.

What you don't seem to understand: there is a difference between moneyhatting and timed exclusivity.

Timed exclusivity is a broad definition. It doesn't matter if the exclusivity time frame gets announced or not. It also doesn't matter if someone pays for exclusivity or not.

ROTT was a timed console exclusive for 11 months, but only a timed exclusive for 3 months. "Timed console exclusives" is and intersection of "timed exclusives" and "console exclusives":

And why is the Crash Bandicoot N.Sane Trilogy not a timed exclusive? PS4 version in June 2017, PC+XBO versions in June 2018, so 12 months difference. PCs and XBOs EVEN EXISTED in June 2017.

And why is Detroit: Become Human not a timed exclusive? PS4 version in May 2018, PC version in autumn 2019, so 16 - 18 months difference. PCs EVEN EXISTED in May 2018.

And why is Batman: Arkham VR not a timed exclusive? PSVR version in October 2016, PCVR in April 2017, so 6 months difference. PCVR headsets and PCs EVEN EXISTED in October 2016.

And why is Moss not a timed exclusive? PSVR version in February 2018, PCVR in June 2018, so 4 months difference. PCVR headsets and PCs EVEN EXISTED in February 2018.

And why is Skyrim VR not a timed exclusive? PSVR version in November 2017, PCVR in April 2018, so 5 months difference. PCVR headsets and PCs EVEN EXISTED in November 2017.

And why are the listed DLCs no timed exclusive DLCs? For most of them the timed exclusivity was even announced.

"Almost none of those are timed exclusives."

I didn't say all. And that's because I looked at your list and realized you have no clue what timed exclusive means. Here is a hint if the switch WASNT EVEN OUT YET - you can't call them timed exclusives. Because there was no intent to keep them from going anywhere. Because THERE WAS NO WHERE TO GO.

And you'd have to look into the game. Did they release the game. See that it went well THEN decide to port that game? That isn't a timed exclusive. That is a port.

Most of the DLC could have been timed exclusive. Destiny specifically said "will come to Xbox a year later" That is very much the definition of a timed exclusive.

I'm not your teacher. I'm not going to grade your home work. You want to prove a point - you research it first. I can already tell you it is an F just on not knowing the definition of timed exclusive in the first place.

You embarrass your point by trying to argue that Disgaea 5 is a "timed exclusive", while ignoring actual points like YES the destiny DLC IS timed exclusive.



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V-r0cK said:
No surprise here, business is business and if one company doesn't do this, their competitors will.

Don't hate the player, hate the game. (Where our game is their game, but their game is business lol)

Exactly.

Looking at your avatar, it's expected that the post I'd agree with most in this thread would be this one :D