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sethnintendo said:
gamingsoul said:
Lol, seems like the trump derangement symdrom has claimed another victim here at vgc...

Counter me then.  You can't because any little bs you can come up with I can throw hundred times back at you.  I have facts.  Trump supporters have none.

You live in your own world.



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gamingsoul said:
sethnintendo said:

Counter me then.  You can't because any little bs you can come up with I can throw hundred times back at you.  I have facts.  Trump supporters have none.

You live in your own world.

Better than living in your shit worldview.  You obviously have nothing.  Just wait till Trumps defeat and you can go grab your AR15 like the rest of your group.



Machiavellian said:
Azuren said:

Ah, another victim of the media. Congratulations on watching biased news sources uncritically, I suppose?

Trump didn't call all illegal immigrants rapists and criminals with absolute language. In the very same press conference he referred to them as good people.

And again, you just glossed over the "they let you do it" without even realizing you had reinforced what I said. I'm not saying Trump is a good person. Most people who end up president aren't good people. Hell, Bill Clinton was one of the best presidents and he lied under oath about cheating on his wife in the White House.

And then you resort to name-calling instead of calling out policies. You used mainstream media spins to attempt to reinforce the rhetoric they spread about Trump, and then you called him an idiot without addressing the point I was actually making in my post:

Call him out on policies. Call him out on the decisions he makes as president that affect the nation. But you were so worried about talking bad about him that you couldn't even be bothered to do so. 

First I am not glossing over anything because I am taking his words to mean exactly what it means not trying to find some stupid hidden meaning to it.  If some guy came to your home and made the exact same statement before asking you if they could take your daughter out what the hell would you think.  Maybe you live in this fantasy world where someone who acts like Trump really isn't the predator he is but I know way to many guys who think like him.

Lol, Trump stated maybe there are some good people.  I see you have a problem understanding context and how that maybe is a way to basically saying no there is not.  What if I said maybe your mom is not a whore, how would you view that statement.

Here is the thing and I have said this before.  I have no problems with some of the things that Trump takes on but since he is an idiot everything he touches turns to crap.  First lets talk about the Tariffs.  I have no problems with him challenging China or even using Tariffs against them but since he is an idiot, he continue to try to win this whole thing through twitter.  He make public statement that he will force China to do what he wants which is an absolute no no if he was trying any real negotiations with China.  Since he and his administration wanted to go alone without working with everyone else it made it much easier for China to play the waiting game because just American wasn't going to make them change their policy.  Then you have the idiot trying to apply tariffs to everyone which means you are fighting battles on all fronts believing that other countries were just going to accept the tariffs and move on.  Only an idiot thought that but we can go on and on how dumb he is on that front.

Lets take immigration.  Nothing wrong with him taking on this policy but since Trump is an idiot and his administration is built with people who have no clue what they are doing he goes about doing things in a stupid way.  I had no problems making the law that any illegal crossing is a crime but taking away people children with no ability to return them back to their parents was just idiotic.  Its the type of stupid amoral thing an idiotic does believing this is being hard but has the reverse effect.

Lets take healthcare.  Nothing wrong with him taking on this very important issue but since Trump is an idiot and his administration is built with people who have no clue about such complex issues, his solution was nothing. Instead the solution is to get rid of everything instead of building on what works.

Next you have the tax cuts which he and the GOP tried to make like this was something every American will benefit from.  Others have already added to that part of the discussion but we all know that was a con job.

Next we can talk about how he was going to bring back steel to the US, guess what, that did not happen.  Not only did the steel tariffs not bring back steel plants to America but they are on a layoff spree and closing plants because of the tariffs.

Really, I can go on and on about his policies and his administration all day long and we can open another thread on that one.  He showed the same stupid idiotic management when running his businesses and he took it to the White House.  While you may believe just because someone opinion of Trump is negative its the result of the media, but my opinion of Trump is because I did my homework.  I highly doubt you knew anything about Trump and still do not know anything about him.  I am willing to bet you did not do any research on him before or even after he became president and instead your whole ideal of him is based on that dumb TV show of his believing him to be a smart businessman.

You are, but why would you admit it? No, instead you'd rather deflect to asking me if I'd let my daughter date him. Good on you. As expected of someone who goes by the name "Machiavellian". Now put those goalposts back.

He didn't say maybe. He said he assumes some are good people among those coming into the country illegally. Out of context or in this conversation if you said "maybe your mom is not a whore", then you'd probably get a warning or a ban. Now, a discussion concerning a rise in prostitution among 50-60 women that included that? I'd assume it meant you didn't think my mom was a whore.

What's that? A comment on a Trump policy instead of just calling him racist? Color me surprised. I'm not an economist, but I would assume the President of the United States (who has shown in the past that he defers to the wisdom of people who know what they're doing, such as with his chance from a wall to a fence at the suggestion of border control) would probably have a guy in his cabinet who knows a little more about economics than I, a dip who just gets exhausted from all the Trump Anxiety people try to spread, or you, a guy who thought the name Machiavellian was a good faith name for someone arguing politics.

And then a 180 back to the inane. What's amoral about a wall? What about their plans are stupid? How are they idiots? Are you just going to throw a bunch of insults around and make an attempt at moral posturing, or are you going to make a point?

And again, insults. This time without the moral posturing at least, but now it's just insults. "Trump's plans are bad because he's dumb". Great argument, genius, I'm totally convinced.

"A con job". I suppose that's a better argument than "he dumb".

A quick google into that one about the Steel Industry shows a back-and-forth between Trump and never-Trump that I don't care to get into. There are reports from October that show surges, and reports of "insiders" from January that clash with what Trump claims... Seems like something worthy of a discussion, but it doesn't seem like something I would drop into a "Trump bad" column so readily.

Can you? Because you've really only made one solid point about trade tariffs another another hot-take point about the nuance currently surrounding the steel industry. Instead, you just called him and his administration dumb a lot, which makes it seem more like you watch Maddow a lot rather than actual news. It seems your homework comes from one kind of source rather than a spread of sources, and the result is the thought process that insulting someone a lot makes you correct. Which would make you more like Trump than you'd probably like to admit.

And for the record, I voted for Bernie and never watched any of Trump's shows. I knew the "you're fired" meme and that he was in Home Alone, but that was the extent of my knowledge concerning Trump before he was elected. I just get tired of the Trump Derangement Syndrome that the media has stirred up in people. It was annoying when Fox did it to Obama, and it's even more annoying when everyone else does it to Trump. Argue policies and research statements. An insult isn't a valid substitution for an argument.



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sethnintendo said:
EricHiggin said:

I wonder who decided the Trump organization was the best candidate?

"In 2011, the General Services Administration, which owns and manages federal properties, invited interested parties to consider the prospects. More than 80 initially showed interest. Ultimately, 10 firms made formal proposals."

"Last August, the agency signed a 60-year lease with the Trump Organization to renovate and convert the iconic building into a luxury hotel. Trump formally takes possession on Saturday, allowing work to begin on a $200 million makeover. The deal also includes two 20-year lease renewal options."

"According to Donald J. Trump, chairman and president of the Trump Organization, the two-year project is to be completed in time for the 2017 presidential inaugural parade, which will pass right in front en route from the Capitol to the White House. (A place occupied now by a frequent target of Mr. Trump’s barbs — President Obama.)"

Timing couldn't have been better for Trump, just by chance.

How many tax breaks did he get for building project?  Corporate welfare?

EricHiggin said:
sethnintendo said:

What is your fucking point?  You have none.  He is a piece of shit and anyone with right mind can see that.

A Trump Makeover for Washington’s Old Post Office

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/28/realestate/commercial/finally-washingtons-old-post-office-gets-a-new-life.html

"Why Trump? Mr. Tangherlini, who became the agency’s acting administrator in April 2012 and administrator last July, said, “It was a combination of the viability of the business plan, the quality of the commitment to preserving the asset and a sense that this was the best deal on the table for the American taxpayer.”"

"In addition, Trump will be paying “possessory interest” taxes to the District of Columbia. Trump has also applied to the Internal Revenue Service for a 20 percent federal preservation tax credit on money spent on the renovation."

"(The “possessory interest” tax is in lieu of property tax, since the building will continue to be federally owned and therefore exempted from Washington property taxes. This is something the district created in 2000 to obtain money from private entities conducting business on tax-exempt government-owned properties. This tax is calculated at the same rate as Washington’s commercial property tax based on assessed value. At this time, it is difficult to say what that would be.)"

Maybe instead of the best deal, they should have made a worse deal for the people, or flat out torn it down like they originally wanted to?



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sethnintendo said:
gamingsoul said:

You live in your own world.

Better than living in your shit worldview.  You obviously have nothing.  Just wait till Trumps defeat and you can go grab your AR15 like the rest of your group.

The Democrats are going to have to stop being so divided if they hope to beat Trump in 2020. They're already moving in like vultures on their most popular candidate (Biden).



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EricHiggin said:
sethnintendo said:

How many tax breaks did he get for building project?  Corporate welfare?

EricHiggin said:

A Trump Makeover for Washington’s Old Post Office

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/28/realestate/commercial/finally-washingtons-old-post-office-gets-a-new-life.html

"Why Trump? Mr. Tangherlini, who became the agency’s acting administrator in April 2012 and administrator last July, said, “It was a combination of the viability of the business plan, the quality of the commitment to preserving the asset and a sense that this was the best deal on the table for the American taxpayer.”"

"In addition, Trump will be paying “possessory interest” taxes to the District of Columbia. Trump has also applied to the Internal Revenue Service for a 20 percent federal preservation tax credit on money spent on the renovation."

"(The “possessory interest” tax is in lieu of property tax, since the building will continue to be federally owned and therefore exempted from Washington property taxes. This is something the district created in 2000 to obtain money from private entities conducting business on tax-exempt government-owned properties. This tax is calculated at the same rate as Washington’s commercial property tax based on assessed value. At this time, it is difficult to say what that would be.)"

Maybe instead of the best deal, they should have made a worse deal for the people, or flat out torn it down like they originally wanted to?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-emoluments-idUSKCN1S72YL

If he was smart he would have put his businesses in a blind trust.  Now he can face the wrath of courts.  Maybe this time he won't wiggle his way out of it.

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Azuren said:
sethnintendo said:

Better than living in your shit worldview.  You obviously have nothing.  Just wait till Trumps defeat and you can go grab your AR15 like the rest of your group.

The Democrats are going to have to stop being so divided if they hope to beat Trump in 2020. They're already moving in like vultures on their most popular candidate (Biden).

Yep that's the problem with us.  USA is void of any actual leaders and Democrats are barely any better than GOP.  If you ask me both parties suck.  Multiparty proportional representation all the way...  I was born in the wrong country obviously.



sethnintendo said:
EricHiggin said:

"In addition, Trump will be paying “possessory interest” taxes to the District of Columbia. Trump has also applied to the Internal Revenue Service for a 20 percent federal preservation tax credit on money spent on the renovation."

"(The “possessory interest” tax is in lieu of property tax, since the building will continue to be federally owned and therefore exempted from Washington property taxes. This is something the district created in 2000 to obtain money from private entities conducting business on tax-exempt government-owned properties. This tax is calculated at the same rate as Washington’s commercial property tax based on assessed value. At this time, it is difficult to say what that would be.)"

Maybe instead of the best deal, they should have made a worse deal for the people, or flat out torn it down like they originally wanted to?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-emoluments-idUSKCN1S72YL

Unfortunate that this one is going to have to wait until after impeachment, whenever that takes place...

I guess this means he won't be moving forward with his future plans.

"As if restoring the Old Post Office were not enough, the Trumps also have their eyes on the Federal Bureau of Investigation building a block away, on the opposite side of Pennsylvania Avenue. The General Services Administration is looking to turn over the Brutalist building to a developer in return for land elsewhere in the area on which to build a new F.B.I. headquarters."

“We’ve been looking at that closely,” Ms. Trump said. “Our first priority is the Old Post Office, but there is tremendous potential with the F.B.I.”



The Canadian National Anthem According To Justin Trudeau

 

Oh planet Earth! The home of native lands, 
True social law, in all of us demand.
With cattle farts, we view sea rise,
Our North sinking slowly.
From far and snide, oh planet Earth, 
Our healthcare is yours free!
Science save our land, harnessing the breeze,
Oh planet Earth, smoke weed and ferment yeast.
Oh planet Earth, ell gee bee queue and tee.

Election night 2020 is going to be lit.

I was in North Carolina for a business trip during the 2016 election and watched the results from my hotel room frantically texting back and forth with coworkers and friends. We knew that he was going to poll far better than anyone assumed, however, seeing state after state being called for him made me realize the energy at his rallies I attended wasn't unique to the midwest.

He's going to win again. The Democrats overplayed their hand with everything from Russia to Kavanaugh. They thought acting like him would resonate with voters. But the person they tried (and continue) to emulate is nothing more than a caricature of who trump is and why his supporters continue backing him up. They'll continue to ramp up what they think Trump is and do nothing but alienate voters who would otherwise be open to their positions. All of this, I completely support.

youtube could use another round of talking heads and overly emotional people freaking out at his reelection.



EricHiggin said:
sethnintendo said:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-emoluments-idUSKCN1S72YL

Unfortunate that this one is going to have to wait until after impeachment, whenever that takes place...

Looks like Democrats are happy enough to just try to oust through elections.  Impeachments take forever and it is only a year and half till elections.  Look how long it took Kenn Starr to investigate Clinton about getting his dick sucked.  Of course he opened up investigations about other dealings with Clintons.  If Clinton's were guilty either  Kenn Starr sucks at investigating or somehow they pulled a fast one.  Trump is whining about being investigated yet Clinton's had just as much or more scrutiny.  Remember stupid Benghazi?  They looked forever yet couldn't come up with shit.  Whatever they did come up with is about as credible as Saddam buying yellow cake uranium from Nigeria.  We all know how that ended.  Pure bs to go into Iraq to finish what GWB Jr thought his daddy didn't with a little backrub from Dick Cheney.  Halliburton no bid contracts awarded to them not because Cheney was former CEO.  It's because they were only private company that could do it right?

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