You missed when I said that I committed a mistake in my statement regarding 12 months. Incorrect exaggeration.

0D0 said:

"Wii was an exception. NES and SNES barely had competition.

My mistake was saying 12 months. Wii U had Smash, MK, Mario 2D, Mario 3D, DKC, Zelda. This is "almost every big franchise"."

Regarding exceptions. I don't make general rule statements considering exceptions. If you do, you and me can't have a proper discussion. Every time I discuss Nintendo, I always remove Wii or I add it as a bubble and exception, not as a rule to Nintendo's home console business performance. Nintendo has never had a home console with that performance after Sony entered the market. Actually, Nintendo home console business has been shrinking since Nintendo's first home console. That's the Nintendo home console sales rule (except Wii). If I were a Nintendo sales analyst, I'd always put Wii on parenthesis.

You may disagree with that, but there's no way round it with me. The same with NSW that I'll never consider part of the home console business. An army of people can tell me I'm wrong based on a thousand reasons, which is fair but I don't care.

The premisses that I don't discuss and I don't negotiate:

- Nintendo home console business has been decreasing since ever (except Wii) from 60m NES to 13m Wii U.

- Nintendo left the home console business after Wii U.

- God exists.

Leaving a market means not competing in it unfortunately for your argument Switch is competing in it which makes you argument false by default side stepping this fact doesn't do anything for your argument.

All impossible to prove statements! Neat!

At least it's honest. It doesn't happen often that someone outright says that it's not possible to have a reasonable discussion with them.

You missed when I said that I committed a mistake in my statement regarding 12 months. Incorrect exaggeration.

0D0 said:

"Wii was an exception. NES and SNES barely had competition.

My mistake was saying 12 months. Wii U had Smash, MK, Mario 2D, Mario 3D, DKC, Zelda. This is "almost every big franchise"."

You missed when I said that I committed a mistake in my statement regarding 12 months. Incorrect exaggeration.

0D0 said:

"Wii was an exception. NES and SNES barely had competition.

My mistake was saying 12 months. Wii U had Smash, MK, Mario 2D, Mario 3D, DKC, Zelda. This is "almost every big franchise"."

Regarding exceptions. I don't make general rule statements considering exceptions. If you do, you and me can't have a proper discussion. Every time I discuss Nintendo, I always remove Wii or I add it as a bubble and exception, not as a rule to Nintendo's home console business performance. Nintendo has never had a home console with that performance after Sony entered the market. Actually, Nintendo home console business has been shrinking since Nintendo's first home console. That's the Nintendo home console sales rule (except Wii). If I were a Nintendo sales analyst, I'd always put Wii on parenthesis.

You may disagree with that, but there's no way round it with me. The same with NSW that I'll never consider part of the home console business. An army of people can tell me I'm wrong based on a thousand reasons, which is fair but I don't care.

The premisses that I don't discuss and I don't negotiate:

- Nintendo home console business has been decreasing since ever (except Wii) from 60m NES to 13m Wii U.

- Nintendo left the home console business after Wii U.

- God exists.

"Nintendo's homeconsoles have declined as long as I exclude the Wii."

I have a feeling you are starting from the conclusion and working backwards. You want to say Nintendo is in decline and the Wii and Switch throw a wrench in that. Thus, you redefine them so your thesis can be right. If your thesis requires you to remove information or ignore it, then your flat out wrong. You might want to go back to the drawing board. 

You aren't being reasonable when you ask people to prove that God does not exist. You made the claim, so the onus of proof is on you.

In the instance of continual decline of Nintendo home console sales, your argument is that your conclusion is correct if everything that contradicts the conclusion is ignored. That's not how a reasonable argument works.

Regarding Nintendo not having left the home console market, the premise is not that Switch is a home console. The premise is that Switch is a hybrid and does not make any concessions to home console functionality in comparison to preceding home consoles, therefore Nintendo has maintained their presence in the home console market; plus the sales back that up. Once again, it is unreasonable of you to change the argument because your original claim was that Nintendo left the home console market.

If you now add a fourth claim to your list (namely that you are reasonable), then you should prove that in your next response.

What is your point though?

Wii U had some big franchises release on it. So what? 

What does that have to do with Switch outselling the PS4 in Japan?

Let's check:

NES 60m

SNES 50m

N64 30m

GC 20m

Wii U 13m

How the statement, as you put it "Nintendo's homeconsoles have declined as long as I exclude the Wii." is incorrect?

Wii is the only console that breaks the rule. Isn't?

When you have a rule and one single thing that breaks the rule you have an exception to the rule. Isn't it? That's not how you define an exception?

Which rule?

The rule that NES sold 60m and every other Nintendo home console sold less than that. Isn't? Is that false?

So, Nintendo's home consoles have been shrinking since the first one. Wii is an exception that I must point out. Is that false? How?

NSW is at least a hybrid console (if not a handheld), not a truly stationary home console like the past consoles and PS and X. Besides, it's not a past console, it's a current selling console. So I can leave it that off my statement now if I want.

If you say NSW is a home console like Wii U and NES. Ok, now you have Nintendo breaking the rule again. Which I disagree. Why I disagree? Because I don't put NSW on the home console category. NSW is much smarter than that.

No no, I was told that I was being unreasonable before I asked to prove that God doesn't exist. So that cannot go into the evidence that I'm being unreasonable. :)

I've got some statements that I don't discuss for the simple fact that they're not worthy being discussed, as I said before:

- Nintendo home console business has been decreasing since ever (except Wii) from 60m NES to 13m Wii U.

- Nintendo left the home console business after Wii U.

- God exists.

The first one for me is very clear, as I replied above.

The second one is due to the fact that since NSW has come out, I took the position that it's not a home console like all the home consoles that have been sold since the first home console. It's at least a different beast, a hybrid. Of course it can be discussed. You can absolutely try to prove me wrong while I try to prove you wrong. But I guess we've all have discussed it before. If you and the other posters here want to open a thread to discuss if NSW is a home console or not, well, do it and let me know.

If it's sidestepping. Fine. If you think I'm coward, fine. I'm didn't come here to this thread to win anything. That's all.

The third statement is just to show exactly what kind of material the other two statements are. We can also discuss the existence of God. Is it worthy it? Will you change my mind? Will I change yours? We don't have enough time for that.

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My point was to agree with linkink when he said "switch is getting old ports of wiiu games, and it's doing wonders on switch"

The Switch isn't selling due to old Wii U ports though. Most of its big games are exclusives.

BOTW can be ruled out too as that's not an old port but a simultaneous cross-gen release, and of course it's going to be more of a system seller as a launch title than coming out on a dead system the day it's replaced, that's just common sense.

So the notion that "Switch's library isn't what's selling it cos those games failed to sell the Wii U" is completely fallacious.

The Switch already has a superior library in two years than the Wii U managed in four.

I may agree or disagree with that notion but in my case I just agreed that Wii U games did wonders to Switch regardless. One of the reasons that Switch got a superior library in two years was because Wii U games were on this library. To make MK available for the Switch audience Nintendo had just to port a title. MK alone is huge.

Another factor is that many skipped Wii U. So when all those Wii U games came out for Switch in a short span of time while those buyers haven't bought hardware from Nintendo since Wii, those many were even more willing to pick up a Switch. The failure of Wii U sort of helped Switch. Many were hungry for a new Nintendo device since Wii.