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Was never a graphics person so I don't think I've ever noticed.



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curl-6 said:
linkink said:

This is a FPS, and honestly looks like a cartoon compared to the dice FPS games running mostly at 60fps, So this is a stylistic choice which look better while requiring less usually to do so. Those type of games tend to hold there visual appeal longer  compared that to let's say the first uncharted on ps3 which still holds up to later ps3 games. On PS3, not one third person game looks better then uncharted original  targeting 60fps on ps3 to this date.

The gap from Uncharted 1 to Uncharted 3 is larger than any equivalent gap on PS4. 

By this point in PS3's lifespan even non-crossgen launch titles like Resistance 1 looked almost a generation behind; nothing on PS4 now makes Killzone Shadowfall look a generation out of date, not even remotely.

It's not that PS4 hasn't gotten better graphically over time, it has, and its newer games do look noticeably better than Shadowfall, but if PS3's progress within its life was a 10 PS4 would be like a 3 or 4.

I disagree about uncharted 1 to 3 being the biggest gap then any Equivalent on PS4. To me seeing battlefront with that Big of a leap in graphics compared to any other game on ps4 at the time and 60fps was a bigger gap then uncharted 1 to 3.

You got me on Resistance that was a very unimpressive looking game on ps3, The least impressive ps3 exclusive by far,It makes since, PS3 was alien hardware, and probably a rushed game for launch.

A 3-4 is way too low. it's more like a 8. So many impressive looking games at 60fps blows my mind. So many times i have been blown away by how games keep looking better, and progressing like order 1886, GOW, Batllefront, Horizon, Resident evil 6, DMC 5, Red dead 2, Last of us 2 and Spiderman, Honestly never thought those would be possible on PS4. 



linkink said:
curl-6 said:

The gap from Uncharted 1 to Uncharted 3 is larger than any equivalent gap on PS4. 

By this point in PS3's lifespan even non-crossgen launch titles like Resistance 1 looked almost a generation behind; nothing on PS4 now makes Killzone Shadowfall look a generation out of date, not even remotely.

It's not that PS4 hasn't gotten better graphically over time, it has, and its newer games do look noticeably better than Shadowfall, but if PS3's progress within its life was a 10 PS4 would be like a 3 or 4.

I disagree about uncharted 1 to 3 being the biggest gap then any Equivalent on PS4. To me seeing battlefront with that Big of a leap in graphics compared to any other game on ps4 at the time and 60fps was a bigger gap then uncharted 1 to 3.

You got me on Resistance that was a very unimpressive looking game on ps3, The least impressive ps3 exclusive by far.

A 3-4 is way too low. it's more like a 8. So many impressive looking games at 60fps blows my mind. So many times i have been blown away by how games keep looking better, and progressing like order 1886, GOW, Batllefront, Horizon, Resident evil 6, DMC 5, Last of us 2 and Spiderman 

Let's take 1886 as an example though; that launched when the PS4 was just over one year old, yet it is still cited as one of the best looking games on the system. To me that shows that progress hasn't been as drastic as last generation, where games from year 1-2 were left far behind.



curl-6 said:
linkink said:

I disagree about uncharted 1 to 3 being the biggest gap then any Equivalent on PS4. To me seeing battlefront with that Big of a leap in graphics compared to any other game on ps4 at the time and 60fps was a bigger gap then uncharted 1 to 3.

You got me on Resistance that was a very unimpressive looking game on ps3, The least impressive ps3 exclusive by far.

A 3-4 is way too low. it's more like a 8. So many impressive looking games at 60fps blows my mind. So many times i have been blown away by how games keep looking better, and progressing like order 1886, GOW, Batllefront, Horizon, Resident evil 6, DMC 5, Last of us 2 and Spiderman 

Let's take 1886 as an example though; that launched when the PS4 was just over one year old, yet it is still cited as one of the best looking games on the system. To me that shows that progress hasn't been as drastic as last generation, where games from year 1-2 were left far behind.

If you are just looking at graphics, then yea, but it doesn't work like that. We have a huge complex open world games like Red dead 2 doing doing so much more, and exceeding those graphics, we have 60fps shooter exceeding those graphics, we finally have a action-adventure hack and slash that looks nextgen a  genre that hasn't evolved much graphically since Ninja gaiden on xbox.  Order 1886 is a very limited linear game, that also uses black borders to help it keep it's IQ.

Last edited by linkink - on 06 May 2019

goopy20 said:
I haven't. Sure, there were a few games on the ps3 that still look great today like Uncharted 2. But that is just because developers like Naughty Dog are masters at working around hardware limitations and kept the level design simple. However, compare Red Dead Redemption to RDR2 and the difference is pretty obvious.

Then compare to Red Dead Revolver and the diminishing returns are obvious.



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linkink said:
curl-6 said:

Let's take 1886 as an example though; that launched when the PS4 was just over one year old, yet it is still cited as one of the best looking games on the system. To me that shows that progress hasn't been as drastic as last generation, where games from year 1-2 were left far behind.

If you are just looking at graphics, then yea, but it doesn't work like that. We have a huge complex open world games like Red dead 2 doing doing so much more, and exceeding those graphics, we have 60fps shooter exceeding those graphics, we finally have a action-adventure hack and slash that looks nextgen a  genre that hasn't evolved much graphically since Ninja gaiden on xbox.  Order 1886 is a very limited linear game, that also uses black borders to help it keep it's IQ.

I'm still not seeing this dramatic progress. Even the best looking early PS3 games were left looking incredibly dated by the time the system was this old, yet with PS4 its best looking early games like Killzone and 1886 are still not that far behind games coming out in Year 5/6.

PS4 was built with mature technology and was very easy to develop for and straightforward to fully harness, hence it didn't take developers years to come to grips with it like the PS3 with its exotic Cell processor.

The PS3's lifespan took it from this:

To this:

PS4 is never going to have a leap that big, it simply can't because its hardware was easy to exploit from day 1.

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late ps360/early ps4one.



curl-6 said:
linkink said:

If you are just looking at graphics, then yea, but it doesn't work like that. We have a huge complex open world games like Red dead 2 doing doing so much more, and exceeding those graphics, we have 60fps shooter exceeding those graphics, we finally have a action-adventure hack and slash that looks nextgen a  genre that hasn't evolved much graphically since Ninja gaiden on xbox.  Order 1886 is a very limited linear game, that also uses black borders to help it keep it's IQ.

I'm still not seeing this dramatic progress. Even the best looking early PS3 games were left looking incredibly dated by the time the system was this old, yet with PS4 its best looking early games like Killzone and 1886 are still not that far behind games coming out in Year 5/6.

PS4 was built with mature technology and was very easy to develop for and straightforward to fully harness, hence it didn't take developers years to come to grips with it like the PS3 with its exotic Cell processor.

The PS3's lifespan took it from this:

To this:

PS4 is never going to have a leap that big, it simply can't because its hardware was easy to exploit from day 1.

PS4 hardware really wasn't that easy to exploit, those weak CPU'S needed time for developers to find a way to work with.

Again you are only focusing on one game, and that killzone pics makes it look much better then it really does while playing it. mainly cause of the cool looking gun model.

Here is uncharted a early ps3 game. does anything on ps3 make this look a generation behind? Honestly  I have been impressed with ps4  progress  more then ps3. Battlefront is the Equivalent of uncharted 2 on on ps3 at 60fps. 

Last edited by linkink - on 07 May 2019

linkink said:
curl-6 said:

I'm still not seeing this dramatic progress. Even the best looking early PS3 games were left looking incredibly dated by the time the system was this old, yet with PS4 its best looking early games like Killzone and 1886 are still not that far behind games coming out in Year 5/6.

PS4 was built with mature technology and was very easy to develop for and straightforward to fully harness, hence it didn't take developers years to come to grips with it like the PS3 with its exotic Cell processor.

The PS3's lifespan took it from this:

To this:

PS4 is never going to have a leap that big, it simply can't because its hardware was easy to exploit from day 1.

PS4 hardware really wasn't that easy to exploit, those weak CPU'S needed time for developers to find a way to work with.

Again you are only focusing on one game, and that killzone pics makes it look much better then it really does while playing it. mainly cause of the cool looking gun model.

Here is uncharted a early ps3 game. does anything on ps3 make this look a generation behind? Honestly  I have been impressed with ps4  progress  more then ps3.

I never said a "generation behind". But UC3's improvement over this is vastly bigger than any equivalent comparison point on PS4.

PS4's CPU and GPU were both simple, mature parts with no exotic design, easy to max out from the start.



curl-6 said:
linkink said:

PS4 hardware really wasn't that easy to exploit, those weak CPU'S needed time for developers to find a way to work with.

Again you are only focusing on one game, and that killzone pics makes it look much better then it really does while playing it. mainly cause of the cool looking gun model.

Here is uncharted a early ps3 game. does anything on ps3 make this look a generation behind? Honestly  I have been impressed with ps4  progress  more then ps3.

I never said a "generation behind". But UC3's improvement over this is vastly bigger than any equivalent comparison point on PS4.

PS4's CPU and GPU were both simple, mature parts with no exotic design, easy to max out from the start.

Most developers had no idea how to max out the CPU'S like do they now. I't's something we don't really know as we are both are not developers. 

UC3's improvement over this is vastly bigger than any equivalent comparison point on PS4 is extremely arguable. shadowfall to battlefront is a bigger leap when you consider it runs at 60fps.