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taus90 said:
COKTOE said:
I wonder if Sony will bother with a new controller? I skimmed the article and didn't see any info ( might have missed it though ). I'm mostly happy with the DS4. The overall design and ergonomics are lovely. But I have had issues with durability.

bigger battery and Haptic feed back is a must

You know, I've had 3 active DS4's ( about to open a 4th as one had developed severe drift ), and although I have noticed some variance, I've never been anything less than totally satisfied with how long the charge lasts. I do have rumble turned off, which certainly helps, getting 10-12 hours out of my favorite red DS4. Agreed though. A bigger battery would be welcome.



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I mean this was obvious ages ago. The BC thing from this gen to next was always going to be that the PS4 and PS5 ( same with Xbox One and Xbox Circle... get it?) will be built like PCs, just upgraded ones. It'll be about improving what we already have.

What I think they will do, and the generational change this is, is that there will be 2 types of console, a digital only no disk drive one and a full blu-ray as normal. The former being cheaper because it has less parts but has a bigger HD in it. This is the natural progression of the industry.

I expect it 2020, 7 years after the last which was 7 years after the last, which was 7 years after....



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Random_Matt said:
By the way, this is at least $499 already, probably more.

I think they aiming 499. Going above is a suicide.  With the psn and ps4 money (the PSN is making as much as whole Nintendo yearly) they can take a hit in the first year and subsidies the cost. I think its all in next generation as it may be the last generation (streaming taking over), and the one who wins take the most of the market.

The specs are important but what is really imprtant they left for the real annoucments:

-the controller

-vr

-portable strategy

-streaming and all the services



Neodegenerate said:

Article out today on the hardware of the PS5. 

https://www.wired.com/story/exclusive-sony-next-gen-console/

The specific line on BC:

Because it’s based in part on the PS4’s architecture, it will also be backward-compatible with games for that console. 

Also confirmed it will not be out in 2019, so all but assured for 2020.  The hardware itself appears to be much more beefy than I anticipated it would be.  Now has me wondering if we are going to run into another PS3 pricing situation with Sony next gen.

The hardware bits:

The CPU is based on the third generation of AMD’s Ryzen line and contains eight cores of the company’s new 7nm Zen 2 microarchitecture. The GPU, a custom variant of Radeon’s Navi family, will support ray tracing, a technique that models the travel of light to simulate complex interactions in 3D environments. 

The AMD chip also includes a custom unit for 3D audio that Cerny thinks will redefine what sound can do in a videogame.

On VR:

“I won't go into the details of our VR strategy today,” he says, “beyond saying that VR is very important to us and that the current PSVR headset is compatible with the new console.”

And an SSD that, for Spider-Man at least, improved loading by 18x.

It was obvious ages ago, that the PS5 would use AMD again. Only AMD can bring a complete package these days powerful enough for a console (ARM, Samsung and Qualcomm could only for a handheld right now).

However, that does not automatically mean there will be backwards compatibility. It just means that technically, there won't be any problems to it like there were with the Cell. But it doesn't necessary mean that Sony will actually implement it. Keep in mind that they said in the past that BC was an often asked, but rarely used feature, so not sure if they really will implement it.

Don't expect an SSD for the PS5, that won't happen. HDD are still much cheaper per Gigabyte, so they will certainly use those to stay in budget. For comparison, a 2Tbyte HDD costs about 60$, a 2Tbyte SSD however around 250$ for the cheapest ones. That's still way too much for them to consider using SSD right now. Maybe in a couple years, but 2020 would still be too soon for an SSD to be worthwhile for them.

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vivster said:

"Even opening a door can take over a minute, depending on what’s on the other side and how much more data the game needs to load."
Really? Already building up to the "Revolution" of SSD by making HDDs look worse than they are.

But it's correct, HDDs are completely useless, you're suppose to know stuff. Try play World of warcraft on HDDs, its not possible. You get loading times that are between 1-2 minutes and the game lags for several minutes after, this with the fastest HDD that exist, western digital black desktop mechanical drive. While on a ssd the game will load in 5 seconds and no lag whatsoever after.

I said 2 months ago it's 100% certain that the next-gen consoles will have a SSD or NVMe drive (1TB) and I was correct.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmGtb24aumA

Proves my point, HDD is useless.



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Totally hyped, especially the part of SSD, one of the biggest problems annoying me in this gen is texture pop-in and long load time, this is gonna be a revolution of console gaming to me.



Bofferbrauer2 said:

Keep in mind that they said in the past that BC was an often asked, but rarely used feature, so not sure if they really will implement it.

That doesn't sound right. Sounds like spiel used to justify why PS4 couldn't work with PS3 games or why PS2 tech was removed from PS3 but PS1 emulation was left in.

BC helps with the transition period a lot. I would love to be able to play some of my PS3 games even now without having to turn it on again, plus i wouldn't have had to buy Minecraft twice. It also helps with lack of library at the start of a gen, people knowing they can just buy older games to play on their new console because they work knowing new games will come soon.

Sony and MS will only benefit from adding BC because of the reasons above. Having one library which works over gens can surely be nothing but a good thing as it can get people to buy your console without worry early on instead of waiting until a decent library is released for it. 

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Trumpstyle said:
vivster said:

"Even opening a door can take over a minute, depending on what’s on the other side and how much more data the game needs to load."
Really? Already building up to the "Revolution" of SSD by making HDDs look worse than they are.

But it's correct, HDDs are completely useless, you're suppose to know stuff. Try play World of warcraft on HDDs, its not possible. You get loading times that are between 1-2 minutes and the game lags for several minutes after, this with the fastest HDD that exist, western digital black desktop mechanical drive. While on a ssd the game will load in 5 seconds and no lag whatsoever after.

I said 2 months ago it's 100% certain that the next-gen consoles will have a SSD or NVMe drive (1TB) and I was correct.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmGtb24aumA

Proves my point, HDD is useless.

Too expensive, they won't do that. Even a 1 TB SSD costs about twice what a 2TB HDD would cost. It's still too soon for SSD in consoles. A Mid-gen upgrade could use them, though, but not the OG in 2020.



Bofferbrauer2 said:
Trumpstyle said:

But it's correct, HDDs are completely useless, you're suppose to know stuff. Try play World of warcraft on HDDs, its not possible. You get loading times that are between 1-2 minutes and the game lags for several minutes after, this with the fastest HDD that exist, western digital black desktop mechanical drive. While on a ssd the game will load in 5 seconds and no lag whatsoever after.

I said 2 months ago it's 100% certain that the next-gen consoles will have a SSD or NVMe drive (1TB) and I was correct.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmGtb24aumA

Proves my point, HDD is useless.

Too expensive, they won't do that. Even a 1 TB SSD costs about twice what a 2TB HDD would cost. It's still too soon for SSD in consoles. A Mid-gen upgrade could use them, though, but not the OG in 2020.

Dude it has already been confirmed it will be a ssd :) by mark cerny haha

Edit: 1TB SSD is not twice as expensive, right now it's 100$+ on newegg, a laptop 2TB is 85$, this is the reason why I knew SSD was 100% certain. People who predicted a mechanical drive didn't understand that Microsoft and Sony won't use a DESKTOP HDD and laptop HDD isn't so cheap.

We have 96-layer flash storage in production right now that I expect will drive prices for flash storage further down second half of this year and 128-layer flash storage will hit production this summer and drive prices down further next year.

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Happy with everything I’m seeing, but I do worry about the price and lack of a discless option. In IGN’s article, it’s said:

“We also finally get confirmation that the console will still accept physical media, rather than taking a download-only or streaming-only form.”

This sounds to me like Sony will only have one console option, but I think having a digital/streaming only option is really important to lower the cost of entry for people.