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I really hope we see more than just PS4 BC. I know it takes time and effort away from pure PS5 development, but honestly they could slap an FPGA on the thing and have the best BC we've ever had outside of slapping mini SOCs of the old consoles. I would settle for just PS1 and PS2 honestly. PS2 would be a really boon. PS1 can be played on all PS3s, sure, but I would like to save my PS3 for actually PS3 games to prolong its life. PS3 BC I think is the big hurdle that will probably have to wait until PS6, PS7 or never if we are full cloud all the time at that point.



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CGI-Quality said:
DonFerrari said:

Considering the balancing of the system and that the "sensible" configuration you were talking in other threads being over 399 cost I would say this one probaly cost 599 but will be sold at 449 at launch.

Yeah, it'll likely be a $550-$600 machine intially sold at a loss (PSN and Plus will make up for this, however). Still, I don't rule out a $399 option, especially given, like I said, we don't know clock speeds or how much RAM is in it. 

But, unless you want this company to find themselves with another PS3, no one should expect anything higher than $499.

I'm all in for a 399 pricetag even if costing 599 to make (much better situation than PS3 costing 800 and selling for 499 and 599 both to customer and sony as it is less loss and components that will drop in price better than PS3 had plus PSN can help a lot). The better HW they can ship for 399 pricetag the best for their plan.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Marth said:
All of these specs could turn out pretty expensive.

Mid-Late 2020 $499 with $100 loss per console sounds about right to me.  Some things can be a bit deceptive in terms of how expensive we think something might be.



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pitzy272 said:

Happy with everything I’m seeing, but I do worry about the price and lack of a discless option. In IGN’s article, it’s said:

“We also finally get confirmation that the console will still accept physical media, rather than taking a download-only or streaming-only form.”

This sounds to me like Sony will only have one console option, but I think having a digital/streaming only option is really important to lower the cost of entry for people.

Sony will be eating a lot of the cost on the console. Like 150-200 USD, removing the driver would only make it 20USD cheaper or so, not something that will lower cost barrier, at most they could do a smaller console for a little cheaper but nothing that would really affect sales.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Bofferbrauer2 said:
Trumpstyle said:

Dude it has already been confirmed it will be a ssd :) by mark cerny haha

Edit: 1TB SSD is not twice as expensive, right now it's 100$+ on newegg, a laptop 2TB is 85$, this is the reason why I knew SSD was 100% certain. People who predicted a mechanical drive didn't understand that Microsoft and Sony won't use a DESKTOP HDD and laptop HDD isn't so cheap.

We have 96-layer flash storage in production right now that I expect will drive prices for flash storage further down second half of this year and 128-layer flash storage will hit production this summer and drive prices down further next year.

85$? Newegg is expensive for those, apparently. I got 60€ on Alternate, Vat included. But the price of an 1TB SSD is about the same, somewhat over 100€, but the cheapest ones had shitty transfer speeds for SSD. Actually usable ones started at over 120€, so twice the price.

An SSD will be included in the build, but I don't expect it to be the main storage. I expect it to be used similarly to StoreMI on AMD 4xx Motherboards, where you can couple a small SSD with any HDD to achieve near SSD speeds for the whole package, as the SSD is mainly used as chache. But that only works on the second and subsequent runs, as it needs the first one to know what to cache.

Anything else would make the build too expensive, like I said before a 2TB SSD (in the interview he also talks about expanding storage, so certainly more than 1TByte) would cost around 250$, that's just too expensive right now.

https://www.alternate.be/Seagate/BarraCuda-2-TB-Harde-schijf/html/product/1307667?lk=6075

85€, the 60€ was a desktop one not a laptop.

Even though the article don't exactly dispel the HDD/SSD combo, it's just clear it will be a SSD only.



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I wonder how this will compare to Stadia, spec-wise.



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spemanig said:
I wonder how this will compare to Stadia, spec-wise.

theoretical or real world...

From what we heard from stadia it seems to be about X1X level of power, while this seems to be about double (on raw number, performance will be much higher).

On real world with latency, bandwidth and all else Stadia will be lower than full HD, this will be about 4K (capable of 8K output per the interview).



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Interesting info.

With the 8 core Zen 2 CPU, the console won't be limited in that front like the actual ones have, and Navi should give it a nice boost over the Pro and X consoles.

The SSD part is interesting as, with both Zen 2 and Navi supporting PCIe 4.0, they may have gone with an NVMe drive that takes advantage of the extra bandwidth to get those results. But, at the same time, such solution could prevent users from removing the base storage unit for a new one.

Also, well, at least now we know why they're not going to E3, because they've nothing new to show for PS4.



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Bofferbrauer2 said:
Trumpstyle said:

But it's correct, HDDs are completely useless, you're suppose to know stuff. Try play World of warcraft on HDDs, its not possible. You get loading times that are between 1-2 minutes and the game lags for several minutes after, this with the fastest HDD that exist, western digital black desktop mechanical drive. While on a ssd the game will load in 5 seconds and no lag whatsoever after.

I said 2 months ago it's 100% certain that the next-gen consoles will have a SSD or NVMe drive (1TB) and I was correct.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmGtb24aumA

Proves my point, HDD is useless.

Too expensive, they won't do that. Even a 1 TB SSD costs about twice what a 2TB HDD would cost. It's still too soon for SSD in consoles. A Mid-gen upgrade could use them, though, but not the OG in 2020.

Probably it's not an SSD form but a dedicated nand flash memory soldered into the motherboard and it will be small size memory and only transferring some small data and compress data. It will be possible and especially for console because all games will be made base on this standard so all games on PS5 will utilize this.  And also it will not be expensive like your guess because it will just be small size (probably 32 or 64 to 128 GB flash memory ). 

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CGI-Quality said:

CPU: Zen 2 eight to twelve core @ 3GHz
GPU: Navi
RAM:16GB G6 (could use G5X, but I doubt it)
HDD: 4TB (Confirmed SSD, will likely be 1-2TB)

My original prediction with the updated SSD info (I was always more on shaky ground regarding that). I'm still confident in 16GB of G6, but I can see as high as 24. CPU/GPU were always obvious and clocks will be the determining factors there.

I can agree with your spec but for the SSD probably it's not a fully SSD but more of nand flash drive/memory that soldered into the motherboard and it will using be small size memory (64 to 128 GB)  and only transferring some small data and compress data (necessary data). What the important thing is all games will be fully utilize this made with SSD in mind so it will possible to be more faster than normal PC SSD application (because until this day none PC games and application/software made with SSD in mind ).