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jason1637 said:
Biggerboat1 said:

1) You've still failed to demonstrate that they have sufficient resources & manpower. Again, you're simply saying 790K is a big number - so what's the problem!? Let's forget that number for a second - what's the minimum number of police, operating in a competent manner that could police all protests & handle all crime in the US? You must have an answer to this as you seem certain that 790K is more than enough! If you could also explain your working that would be great ;)

2) Again, your habit of the removal of all nuance is front and centre here... Yes, it is their duty to maintain order and protect, but look at what they're up against - large areas of extreme poverty where crime flourishes, draconian narcotics laws that ensure an endless cycle of gang related violence and drug networks, the world's largest 'rehabilitation' industry, that is more effective at taking petty criminals and turning them into career criminals than it is at turning their lives around, a resurgence in race-related tensions throughout the country (stoked by you know who), resulting in more violence, I could go on, but you get the point... 

You could double the numbers of police and you're still not going to eradicate crime as until the systemic causes of these problems are addressed they are essentially acting as crime conveyer belts...

It's really, really easy to just say that they should just be more competent but there is no magic wand it's an incredibly complex situation. You can continue to criticise everyone and everything for not being your optimal Utopian version, but it solves nothing...

3) So you only have empathy for people who's stances mirror your own? I'm not sure you understand the definition of empathy...

The guy is having to spend his last days filling in forms to ensure that he has an exit strategy that avoids months of pain and torment. jason1637 determining that 'life is precious' and 'euthanasia is dumb' isn't going to alleviate his suffering. In addition to this he's deciding to put his remaining energies into campaigning for a cause that he deeply believes in and if successful will benefit, not himself, but other's in similar situations in the future. I think most people would see that as noble...

But not you - it seems, to you, people fall into 2 categories - those who agree with you and dumb people who are wasting their time! A bit of humility goes a long way. But let me guess, you are one of the most humble people you know!?

1.I'm not saying that I expect them to handle all crime. I expect them to be able to handle violence at protest because this isn't the first time it's happened. It's become common so they should know how to handle it by now. Well if you take a look at this maphttps://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Police_per_100,000_population_by_country_world_map.svgyou see that we have around the same amount of officers per 100k people compared to other western countries. 

2. Dude it's their job to go against these things. Don't become a cop if you can't handle the job.

3. I have lots of empathy. I feel for the guy that is suffering and that he thinks it's bad enough that he wants to end his life. I just don't believe that he should be supporting euthanasia because it's wrong. You can still be empathetic towards someone and not agree with their stances. I don't see it as noble just a waste of time. It's like if a terorrist that helped his community was about to die and trying to radicalize people in his last days. I'd see that as dumb too.

1. Your expectations aren't based on anything of any substance, that's the problem. I can expect my note 9 to have the same battery life as my old nokia 3210 but that isn't going to change battery technology... But that's what scientists are paid to do, right? They understand that that's what customers want when they take the job, right?? What a bunch of incompetents :|

Here's a nice supplement to your link

So apparently your police are way more productive than pretty much any other country's! Doesn't really fit your narrative, does it?

2. Again, you reduce the argument down to remedial level - it's very tedious.

3. You're saying that you feel empathy for the guy but a couple of posts back wrote 'I just don't have empathy for someone wasting their time on a cause I don't support.' - so which is it??

You're essentially doubling down on your position of 'if I don't agree with it then it's dumb' - well, I'm sorry but that's just plain arrogant.

There are far smarter folk on this forum than you or I that agree with the decriminalising of euthanasia...

You've also failed to establish why these views are dumb, apart from 'life is precious' & an unsubstantiated claim that it would lead to a rise in people taking their own lives. If you're going to shoot down other's arguments, then you better have your own pretty locked down... (fyi, they're not)

And the comparison with radicalisation is just silly.



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Biggerboat1 said:
jason1637 said:

1.I'm not saying that I expect them to handle all crime. I expect them to be able to handle violence at protest because this isn't the first time it's happened. It's become common so they should know how to handle it by now. Well if you take a look at this maphttps://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Police_per_100,000_population_by_country_world_map.svgyou see that we have around the same amount of officers per 100k people compared to other western countries. 

2. Dude it's their job to go against these things. Don't become a cop if you can't handle the job.

3. I have lots of empathy. I feel for the guy that is suffering and that he thinks it's bad enough that he wants to end his life. I just don't believe that he should be supporting euthanasia because it's wrong. You can still be empathetic towards someone and not agree with their stances. I don't see it as noble just a waste of time. It's like if a terorrist that helped his community was about to die and trying to radicalize people in his last days. I'd see that as dumb too.

1. Your expectations aren't based on anything of any substance, that's the problem. I can expect my note 9 to have the same battery life as my old nokia 3210 but that isn't going to change battery technology... But that's what scientists are paid to do, right? They understand that that's what customers want when they take the job, right?? What a bunch of incompetents :|

Here's a nice supplement to your link

So apparently your police are way more productive than pretty much any other country's! Doesn't really fit your narrative, does it?

2. Again, you reduce the argument down to remedial level - it's very tedious.

3. You're saying that you feel empathy for the guy but a couple of posts back wrote 'I just don't have empathy for someone wasting their time on a cause I don't support.' - so which is it??

You're essentially doubling down on your position of 'if I don't agree with it then it's dumb' - well, I'm sorry but that's just plain arrogant.

There are far smarter folk on this forum than you or I that agree with the decriminalising of euthanasia...

You've also failed to establish why these views are dumb, apart from 'life is precious' & an unsubstantiated claim that it would lead to a rise in people taking their own lives. If you're going to shoot down other's arguments, then you better have your own pretty locked down... (fyi, they're not)

And the comparison with radicalisation is just silly.

1. Lol the comparison is bad. Phone batteries are getting better but police departments are not when it comes ot handling violence at protest. Yes officers do have hard and important jobs and it's important for them to know what their job entails before they take it because if they fail to do so they deserve to be scrutinized.

Incarceration rates don't mean much because of how flawed our criminal justice system is and how dumb some laws are.

2. Well excuse me for expecting a police officer to do their job.

3. Okay I misworded that post then. I fell empathy for situation but I don't feel empathy for the cause he is supporting.

I'm not saying you're dumb if you support a dumb cause like euthanasia. There are smart people that believe in not so smart things.

Well those claims I made seem locked down to me. I don't think the other arguments made for euthanasia are good or locked down.

The comparison could be better yeah but it's a fair one in this situation. Someone is about to die which sucks and they are spending their last days on something that's bad whether it be euthanasia or radicalisation.



jason1637 said:
Biggerboat1 said:

1. Your expectations aren't based on anything of any substance, that's the problem. I can expect my note 9 to have the same battery life as my old nokia 3210 but that isn't going to change battery technology... But that's what scientists are paid to do, right? They understand that that's what customers want when they take the job, right?? What a bunch of incompetents :|

Here's a nice supplement to your link

So apparently your police are way more productive than pretty much any other country's! Doesn't really fit your narrative, does it?

2. Again, you reduce the argument down to remedial level - it's very tedious.

3. You're saying that you feel empathy for the guy but a couple of posts back wrote 'I just don't have empathy for someone wasting their time on a cause I don't support.' - so which is it??

You're essentially doubling down on your position of 'if I don't agree with it then it's dumb' - well, I'm sorry but that's just plain arrogant.

There are far smarter folk on this forum than you or I that agree with the decriminalising of euthanasia...

You've also failed to establish why these views are dumb, apart from 'life is precious' & an unsubstantiated claim that it would lead to a rise in people taking their own lives. If you're going to shoot down other's arguments, then you better have your own pretty locked down... (fyi, they're not)

And the comparison with radicalisation is just silly.

1. Lol the comparison is bad. Phone batteries are getting better but police departments are not when it comes ot handling violence at protest. Yes officers do have hard and important jobs and it's important for them to know what their job entails before they take it because if they fail to do so they deserve to be scrutinized.

Incarceration rates don't mean much because of how flawed our criminal justice system is and how dumb some laws are.

2. Well excuse me for expecting a police officer to do their job.

3. Okay I misworded that post then. I fell empathy for situation but I don't feel empathy for the cause he is supporting.

I'm not saying you're dumb if you support a dumb cause like euthanasia. There are smart people that believe in not so smart things.

Well those claims I made seem locked down to me. I don't think the other arguments made for euthanasia are good or locked down.

The comparison could be better yeah but it's a fair one in this situation. Someone is about to die which sucks and they are spending their last days on something that's bad whether it be euthanasia or radicalisation.

1. Phone batteries last nowhere near as long as batteries of 10-15 years ago. Are there reasonable factors that make this fact acceptable, yes. But according to your mentality, the reasons shouldn't be looked at. Batteries should last as long as they did in the past, just because I demand it to be so. Do you see how removing the nuance reduces the debate to irrelevance?

So you don't think there's a correlation between number of incarcerated and number of arrests?

2. Again, it's not a simple case of a) doing your job or b) not doing your job - we don't live in a world of simple binaries like that. But I'm done discussing this point, in fact, it's not really a discussion, you are simply repeating the same rudimentary over-simplifications over and over.

3. The thing is Jason, something is not dumb or bad just because you deem it to be so. You make these statements as if they are universal truths when in reality they are just 1 young man's opinions. I, and others have given examples of 1st hand experiences of dealing with real suffering and torment which have influenced our stance on the topic of euthanasia. You on the other hand stick stubbornly to your position of 'life is precious regardless' without seemingly having any real-world experience to draw on...



Biggerboat1 said:
jason1637 said:

1. Lol the comparison is bad. Phone batteries are getting better but police departments are not when it comes ot handling violence at protest. Yes officers do have hard and important jobs and it's important for them to know what their job entails before they take it because if they fail to do so they deserve to be scrutinized.

Incarceration rates don't mean much because of how flawed our criminal justice system is and how dumb some laws are.

2. Well excuse me for expecting a police officer to do their job.

3. Okay I misworded that post then. I fell empathy for situation but I don't feel empathy for the cause he is supporting.

I'm not saying you're dumb if you support a dumb cause like euthanasia. There are smart people that believe in not so smart things.

Well those claims I made seem locked down to me. I don't think the other arguments made for euthanasia are good or locked down.

The comparison could be better yeah but it's a fair one in this situation. Someone is about to die which sucks and they are spending their last days on something that's bad whether it be euthanasia or radicalisation.

1. Phone batteries last nowhere near as long as batteries of 10-15 years ago. Are there reasonable factors that make this fact acceptable, yes. But according to your mentality, the reasons shouldn't be looked at. Batteries should last as long as they did in the past, just because I demand it to be so. Do you see how removing the nuance reduces the debate to irrelevance?

So you don't think there's a correlation between number of incarcerated and number of arrests?

2. Again, it's not a simple case of a) doing your job or b) not doing your job - we don't live in a world of simple binaries like that. But I'm done discussing this point, in fact, it's not really a discussion, you are simply repeating the same rudimentary over-simplifications over and over.

3. The thing is Jason, something is not dumb or bad just because you deem it to be so. You make these statements as if they are universal truths when in reality they are just 1 young man's opinions. I, and others have given examples of 1st hand experiences of dealing with real suffering and torment which have influenced our stance on the topic of euthanasia. You on the other hand stick stubbornly to your position of 'life is precious regardless' without seemingly having any real-world experience to draw on...

1. Dude there is a big difference between a phone battery and the police force doing their job. First companies know that people want more battery life so we see newer phones having more of that compared to the predecessor that came out a year ago. Second if you have options when it comes to phones. If you want a better camera, or/and a better battery there are phones that exceed in these areas. Lastly the police department are publicly funded so we the people are funding and paying them to do their job. Me expecting them to protect people during protests makes sense because were the ones paying them to. If you had a maid and they didnt clean a room in your house you're not going to go "aww man that sucks but I shouldnt expect you to do that".

Well there is a correlation but it's not really fair when you take into account the war on drugs, and that our criminal justice system is unfair towards minorities.

2. I'm not saying that they're not doing their jobs. I'm just trying to say that they are failing at certain aspects of their obs that they should not be at this point. These incidents have happened on numerous occasions and the police aren't better prepared to handle them now than they were years ago. Do you not see a problem with that?

3. I never claimed that my opinions on euthanasia were universal. Some people support it and some don't. You don't need real world experience to form an opinion on something. 



Snoopy said:

Yes, I would be okay with the government deporting my parents if they broke the law. If my parents broke the law right now, for example, killed someone or didn't pay their taxes on purposes for years they need to be in jail. I will still love them but doesn't change the fact what they did was illegal.

If you cross the border illegally you already committed a serious crime. So illegal immigrants are already 100% criminals by default. So who is going to point them to the Spanish site when they didn't learn about America lifestyle and rules? Most of them probably don't even know where to begin. Also, VOX isn't a credible source. They have been debunked quite a bit already or spin numbers to their benefit.

Have you not been paying attention to the caravans we have lately?  A lot of the countries are encouraging illegal immigrants because for one they get a job here and send money back to their families in their home country. Not to mention we pick up the tab for all their citizens especially young children.

>I would be okay with the government deporting my parents if they broke the law. 

My previous comment was about you being deported.  Not your parents.  

>If you cross the border illegally you already committed a serious crime

Crime, yes.  Serious, no.  

>Also, VOX isn't a credible source.

Vox is quoting IRS documents, so no this is credible.  

They are not as good as the New York Times, but compared to sites like Fox News, they are immensely credible.

With that said, if you blindly trust any source, you're doing it wrong.

>They have been debunked quite a bit already or spin numbers to their benefit.

And I'm sure none of the sources you've used, have done that before.  

>Have you not been paying attention to the caravans we have lately?

How does the existence of Caravans support the claim that governments are supporting them?  



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jason1637 said:
Machiavellian said:

lol, Jason, do you live in the US.  We blame the police for everything.  Its rarely a time people do not blame the police.  If there are not enough police how do you fix that problem because manpower isn't something you can just brush off because its inconvenient to your point.  In other words, you need someone to blame and the police is always there to fit the bill, no matter if you understand the situation.  

I don't see enough people hold police responsible. People like you like to come up with silly excuses for them not doing their job properly. Manpower is not the issue. Not all of them but a good chunk of them are imcompetent.

I have a lot of friends who are police and I know how hard they work for a thankless job.  When the police do their job, you give no praise but you are quick to blame when something goes wrong.  A lot of things the police do you never see but it affects you and your well being.  You say I give silly excuses but not once did you give a solution I asked you about multiple times.  How do you fix a manpower issue during large protest.  When you can come up with an answer maybe your viewpoint can be taken seriously but right now its just "I want to blame the police because who else is there".  You do not have an answer so its probably best to just ignore the question.

Anyway, as long as you think they are not doing their job or incompetent you will always have someone to blame.



Machiavellian said:
EricHiggin said:

Who said anything about Trump? I thought he was just 1 of 45. You just had to throw Sting into the mix... A little off topic no?

Sounds a lot like the President being hamstrung. If only they had more power to themselves or manpower in general. That wouldn't be a good thing though for many reasons, so they have to deal with what they have at the moment, and if things don't go well, guess who get's blamed, and legitimately so, apparently? If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen, or should the kitchen be more comfortable?

It's too bad when the next war starts that directly impacts America, they won't be able to help much. Planning and moving troops or weapons to where they are needed asap would be so useful don't you think? One can only dream of such a world... Now if you'll excuse me, I've got more milk to churn, and you better finish stomping those grapes, before they go sour.

lol, you go me there.

I hope you have this same attitude for the next president.  should be interesting if you keep the same points if the next President isn't someone you support.

Well I wouldn't wish that on America or any country but whatever floats your boat.

Machiavellian said:
jason1637 said:

I don't see enough people hold police responsible. People like you like to come up with silly excuses for them not doing their job properly. Manpower is not the issue. Not all of them but a good chunk of them are imcompetent.

I have a lot of friends who are police and I know how hard they work for a thankless job.  When the police do their job, you give no praise but you are quick to blame when something goes wrong.  A lot of things the police do you never see but it affects you and your well being.  You say I give silly excuses but not once did you give a solution I asked you about multiple times.  How do you fix a manpower issue during large protest.  When you can come up with an answer maybe your viewpoint can be taken seriously but right now its just "I want to blame the police because who else is there".  You do not have an answer so its probably best to just ignore the question.

Anyway, as long as you think they are not doing their job or incompetent you will always have someone to blame.

Efficiency for starters. How many electricians does it take to screw in a light bulb?



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EricHiggin said:
Machiavellian said:

lol, you go me there.

I hope you have this same attitude for the next president.  should be interesting if you keep the same points if the next President isn't someone you support.

Well I wouldn't wish that on America or any country but whatever floats your boat.

Machiavellian said:

I have a lot of friends who are police and I know how hard they work for a thankless job.  When the police do their job, you give no praise but you are quick to blame when something goes wrong.  A lot of things the police do you never see but it affects you and your well being.  You say I give silly excuses but not once did you give a solution I asked you about multiple times.  How do you fix a manpower issue during large protest.  When you can come up with an answer maybe your viewpoint can be taken seriously but right now its just "I want to blame the police because who else is there".  You do not have an answer so its probably best to just ignore the question.

Anyway, as long as you think they are not doing their job or incompetent you will always have someone to blame.

Efficiency for starters. How many electricians does it take to screw in a light bulb?

So what this is suppose to show.  That there are bad police just like there are bad people period in the world.  I can find multiple videos of Police doing bad shit and I have called it out many times in these very threads.  What I love about you Eric, if Trump was praising the police your attitude would be so different.  I cannot wait for such an example to show up and see how you post then.  Either way the argument was concerning the protest so keep on topic.  If you want to open up a thread on Police abusing their power, I am right there with you that is another story.



jason1637 said:
Biggerboat1 said:

1. Phone batteries last nowhere near as long as batteries of 10-15 years ago. Are there reasonable factors that make this fact acceptable, yes. But according to your mentality, the reasons shouldn't be looked at. Batteries should last as long as they did in the past, just because I demand it to be so. Do you see how removing the nuance reduces the debate to irrelevance?

So you don't think there's a correlation between number of incarcerated and number of arrests?

2. Again, it's not a simple case of a) doing your job or b) not doing your job - we don't live in a world of simple binaries like that. But I'm done discussing this point, in fact, it's not really a discussion, you are simply repeating the same rudimentary over-simplifications over and over.

3. The thing is Jason, something is not dumb or bad just because you deem it to be so. You make these statements as if they are universal truths when in reality they are just 1 young man's opinions. I, and others have given examples of 1st hand experiences of dealing with real suffering and torment which have influenced our stance on the topic of euthanasia. You on the other hand stick stubbornly to your position of 'life is precious regardless' without seemingly having any real-world experience to draw on...

1. Dude there is a big difference between a phone battery and the police force doing their job. First companies know that people want more battery life so we see newer phones having more of that compared to the predecessor that came out a year ago. Second if you have options when it comes to phones. If you want a better camera, or/and a better battery there are phones that exceed in these areas. Lastly the police department are publicly funded so we the people are funding and paying them to do their job. Me expecting them to protect people during protests makes sense because were the ones paying them to. If you had a maid and they didnt clean a room in your house you're not going to go "aww man that sucks but I shouldnt expect you to do that".

Well there is a correlation but it's not really fair when you take into account the war on drugs, and that our criminal justice system is unfair towards minorities.

2. I'm not saying that they're not doing their jobs. I'm just trying to say that they are failing at certain aspects of their obs that they should not be at this point. These incidents have happened on numerous occasions and the police aren't better prepared to handle them now than they were years ago. Do you not see a problem with that?

3. I never claimed that my opinions on euthanasia were universal. Some people support it and some don't. You don't need real world experience to form an opinion on something. 

1. Ok, let's end this point here. I was merely using the phone battery comparison as a way to express that when you only look at the headline 'batteries last less time than they used to therefore phone companies are incompetent' or 'police fail to man protests therefore are incompetent', without looking at the underlying factors then you're simplifying the debate to the point of irrelevance. You either don't understand what I'm trying to say or don't want to.

2. Yes, but why are they, by your definition, 'failing'? The reasons will likely be complex and the assumption that it's due primarily to incompetence is really just a shot in the dark on your part.

3. 'I never claimed that my opinions on euthanasia were universal' - well, they read like you're listing established facts.

'You don't need real world experience to form an opinion on something.' - no you don't, but those opinions are likely to be less well informed as a consequence. I've watched a bunch of war films and documentaries and feel I understand the basic mechanics but if I wanted to form an opinion on, say, what level of mental health funding veterans should get, my first port of call would be to listen to soldiers experiences and those in the metal health field who work with them. I don't have direct knowledge or experience so I'll listen to those that do.

Machiavellian has already stated that he knows multiple policemen, all of who are honest & hard-working. Do you know any policemen, and if so, are they incompetent? I'm not saying you have to base your entire opinion on his experience but that anecdotal evidence is at least... evidence... What are you basing your opinion on? Assumptions & lazy-thinking is my guess... I suggest you leave your gut-led opinion bunker and actually allow yourself to absorb the experiences of others, in scenarios when you yourself have little or none to draw on...



Machiavellian said:
jason1637 said:

I don't see enough people hold police responsible. People like you like to come up with silly excuses for them not doing their job properly. Manpower is not the issue. Not all of them but a good chunk of them are imcompetent.

I have a lot of friends who are police and I know how hard they work for a thankless job.  When the police do their job, you give no praise but you are quick to blame when something goes wrong.  A lot of things the police do you never see but it affects you and your well being.  You say I give silly excuses but not once did you give a solution I asked you about multiple times.  How do you fix a manpower issue during large protest.  When you can come up with an answer maybe your viewpoint can be taken seriously but right now its just "I want to blame the police because who else is there".  You do not have an answer so its probably best to just ignore the question.

Anyway, as long as you think they are not doing their job or incompetent you will always have someone to blame.

Police do a decent enough job at other things but when it comes to protests they do a poor job and their incompetence shows. I've already answered your manpower question. These are not the first time protest have been happening so they just need to look back at turnout from previous protest to determine how many cops they will need. They can also have people ready if turnout is more than expected.

Biggerboat1 said:
jason1637 said:

1. Dude there is a big difference between a phone battery and the police force doing their job. First companies know that people want more battery life so we see newer phones having more of that compared to the predecessor that came out a year ago. Second if you have options when it comes to phones. If you want a better camera, or/and a better battery there are phones that exceed in these areas. Lastly the police department are publicly funded so we the people are funding and paying them to do their job. Me expecting them to protect people during protests makes sense because were the ones paying them to. If you had a maid and they didnt clean a room in your house you're not going to go "aww man that sucks but I shouldnt expect you to do that".

Well there is a correlation but it's not really fair when you take into account the war on drugs, and that our criminal justice system is unfair towards minorities.

2. I'm not saying that they're not doing their jobs. I'm just trying to say that they are failing at certain aspects of their obs that they should not be at this point. These incidents have happened on numerous occasions and the police aren't better prepared to handle them now than they were years ago. Do you not see a problem with that?

3. I never claimed that my opinions on euthanasia were universal. Some people support it and some don't. You don't need real world experience to form an opinion on something. 

1. Ok, let's end this point here. I was merely using the phone battery comparison as a way to express that when you only look at the headline 'batteries last less time than they used to therefore phone companies are incompetent' or 'police fail to man protests therefore are incompetent', without looking at the underlying factors then you're simplifying the debate to the point of irrelevance. You either don't understand what I'm trying to say or don't want to.

2. Yes, but why are they, by your definition, 'failing'? The reasons will likely be complex and the assumption that it's due primarily to incompetence is really just a shot in the dark on your part.

3. 'I never claimed that my opinions on euthanasia were universal' - well, they read like you're listing established facts.

'You don't need real world experience to form an opinion on something.' - no you don't, but those opinions are likely to be less well informed as a consequence. I've watched a bunch of war films and documentaries and feel I understand the basic mechanics but if I wanted to form an opinion on, say, what level of mental health funding veterans should get, my first port of call would be to listen to soldiers experiences and those in the metal health field who work with them. I don't have direct knowledge or experience so I'll listen to those that do.

Machiavellian has already stated that he knows multiple policemen, all of who are honest & hard-working. Do you know any policemen, and if so, are they incompetent? I'm not saying you have to base your entire opinion on his experience but that anecdotal evidence is at least... evidence... What are you basing your opinion on? Assumptions & lazy-thinking is my guess... I suggest you leave your gut-led opinion bunker and actually allow yourself to absorb the experiences of others, in scenarios when you yourself have little or none to draw on...

1. I get what you're trying to say but I think it's bullshit. Police departments are incompetent when it comes to protecting people during protests and yeah there underlying reasons for this but I don't see why these reasons would have a big effect on how they do their job ar protest. They have the manpower and the resources needed to stop violence but somehow are unable to. I see that as incompetence.

2. They have been unable on multiple occasions to protect people during protest period. They need to work on that and do a better job.

3. You should know it's an opinion. Saying euthanasia is dumb reads like an opinion.

You can still form an opinion by just reading studies and records on veterans mental health issue. If you ask people their experiences will vary and you might not be able to get a full picture of the situation.

Well I know cops too. My best friends dad and sister is a cop, my uncle is one too, and a family friend is a cop. I also have friends trying to become cops. Some of the cops I know are good and hard workign and some i'm surprised that they're still cops.