Machiavellian said:
EricHiggin said:
Depends on what the person hates about America. If they hate something like the existing tax system, that's something that can be changed to some degree without much issue, but if you hate the existence of another country and it's people and wish they would just 'go away', then that's a problem America won't be participating in unless they become an enemy, so you might as well go elsewhere if that's a problem you want to fix. The types of complaints and the type of person doing the complaining would be taken into account when determining the type of response.
If you're told to go do a job somewhere else and then expected to return when finished, with a full report and the job completed, is that racist or prejudice? By Trump saying go to your home country and fix it and come back here and show us how you did it, how is that necessarily seen as a bad thing, unless those other countries are that horrible, or those individuals couldn't complete the task? It's as if people are taking it like Trump would basically be sending them to jail, which doesn't say good things about those countries, by the same people who seem to be defending them. I also don't see how it could be looked at as racist or prejudice, as those countries are not all single race countries, and if by chance they were, then you couldn't help but wonder if those countries are racist or prejudice themselves, or just so horrible no other race wants to live there, even some of their own.
Everyone just keeps strengthening the point.
Are you saying that because both you and I have been wrong in the past and admitted it, that means we're both stupid and aren't worthy of being conversed with no matter how correct or useful our other comments may be? Just because we've made mistakes before, that means we have nothing else to offer?
Just because someone like Epstein may be a POS when it comes to woman, who may deserve to spend a lot of time behind bars, doesn't mean a blind eye should be turned to any good deeds he's done. That's not to say he should be praised for it, but like in my example, you can't even give him the smallest amount of respect or anything for that matter, just because he did something else unacceptable. When it comes to being wrong, where do you draw the line? At what age and at what level of bad deeds are your good deeds from then on inadmissible?
It's like trying to say Bill Cosby was never funny. The guy was hilarious, but apparently was also a scumbag. That doesn't change the fact he was funny when it came to his comedy though. Do I look at him in the same light as I used to? No, but I couldn't logically say he wasn't a funny guy.
I also wasn't the one who brought up Epstein's charitable donations, and for good reason.
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What????
You do know context means a lot right. So using your analogy. If you are a mexican immigrant and someone told you to go back to mexico and work there instead of what you are doing in the US then yes that would be considered prejudice. If you are a black man doing work within a white neighborhood and a white person walks up to you and say why don't you go to your own neighborhood and do work there, that would be considered prejudice. You see your analogy as always comes up short because you leave out context trying to make a weak point.
As to what Trump said, well we still come back to the point that they are AMERICANs not immigrants, not illegal aliens but US citizens. Does this very context escape you. You cannot tell someone who is an American to go back to their place of ancestry and fix something since they are now US citizens. The majority of US citizens in America have ancestry in other Countries INCLUDING TRUMP. So trying to tell someone to go fix where their ancestry is from before trying to do the job they were elected to do in the US is disingenuous based on his OWN ancestry. You cannot escape or explain this point because we can all agree, what Trump stated was stupid. But please continue to try to make what he said right.
If we continue to make the same mistakes and not improve ourselves then yes. Are you a person who would open the refrig, take a bottle of milk drink it and notice its gone bad, put the milk back in the refrig and come back the next day and drink it again. If people notice you doing the same failure you did before, why would they believe you are worthy of anything but continued failure.
If his good deeds are done as self interest then why should anyone praise him for doing it. If the good deed is there to offset all the bad why would anyone fall victim to such a scheming person. If a murderer kills someone but gives to the poor we are suppose to show this person respect. In your example you totally ignore motives which is a huge point to dismiss. You cannot wipe away the bad crap you do by doing something charitable since it then isn't charity.
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Not sure what's unclear. People take many things into account when responding to another. If you don't then the conversation will get away from you.
Yes, go back to Mexico and work there, and bring back a report when you're done, that's what racist people say, ok... If your a Mexican and work for an American company... and get told to go work at a job in Mexico, is that racist? What if the black guy lives in a mixed neighborhood? Would the white guy automatically be racist or prejudice or just stupid for assuming? Did you assume that? Trump is a businessman correct?... If any of the congresswoman were to try their idea's in another country they're from or respect, and failed, they would be seen as bad employees. See what he's doing? Trump rarely bothers killing one bird when he knows he can wait and get two or three with one throw. He even got Pelosi to go from criticizing them to backing them. Well which is it Nancy?
If an American is told to go back to America, is that racist? What is America in terms of race?
So is what Trump said stupid or racist or prejudice? If any of them have immigrated to America before becoming an American citizen, then what? You also realize he's criticizing them and not himself right? Why would he tell himself to leave if he thinks he's doing a good job?
Not everyone has the same tastes. Just because I like the taste of something doesn't mean you do as well, or that you should. If I think someone dresses like a bum, should I constantly throw that in their face and call them names and put them down, or let them look like that because that's how they express themselves? Should we force people not to smoke or drink? What about banning certain speech?
Show me where Epstein did this for separate negative reasons. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. Even if he did, I'd still expect someone to point out that even though he made a significant charitable donation, which will surely be put to good use, that he's still a POS and that it doesn't make him a good person overall. That doesn't negate that he did something useful, and what minuscule respect it gives him, overall he would still be viewed as a terrible person. People aren't 100% good or evil. Everyone is a varying mixture.
