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jason1637 said:

I don't support euthanasia or any form of assisted suicide

Why not?

Have you worked in the emergency services or the health sector and seen what people have to endure even with the aid of powerful drugs?



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Pemalite said:
jason1637 said:

I don't support euthanasia or any form of assisted suicide

Why not?

Life is precious and the government shouldn't let people kill themselves.

edit: No I haven't worked in an emergency room.



jason1637 said:
Pemalite said:

Why not?

Life is precious and the government shouldn't let people kill themselves.

edit: No I haven't worked in an emergency room.

Not for everyone,people should have the freedom to decide that for themselves.

I do not think you ever had to endure the kind of pain or even come close to what some of those experience,if you had you might have came up with a better argument instead of mirroring that personal take.



jason1637 said:
Pemalite said:

Why not?

Life is precious and the government shouldn't let people kill themselves.

edit: No I haven't worked in an emergency room.

It wouldn't be the decision of the Government, it would be a decision by the person in pain, if anything not having it legalized means that the Government is controlling peoples options related to their own life rather than allowing individuals the right to choose. - Thus your stance is a little bit (And respectfully) hypocritical.

I didn't ask if you worked in an emergency room... That kind of life experience isn't necessary to get an appropriate idea of what kind of quality of life (Or lack there-of) these people looking at such options have.

We are talking about individuals confined to a bed in excessive pain, unable to walk, partake in family events like birthdays, work or live life, they generally need a carer/nurse to look after them... And often many are unable to even sleep due to the constant excessive pain without the aid of powerful drugs... In short, they are a vegetable that is constantly screaming out for help... And they can end up being in that state for decades... It's frankly rather depressing.

In any other scenario we would put an animal down to end it's suffering, where-as with human beings we seem to prolong it.

I used to work as a carer, I had to care for such individuals, it's not pretty, it's not easy...



jason1637 said:
Pemalite said:

Why not?

Life is precious and the government shouldn't let people kill themselves.

edit: No I haven't worked in an emergency room.

I took my mother off life support in Oct 2017.  It was either that or she remain in a completely vegetative state for several more weeks. No brain activity, no consciousness, no....life.  Her life was exceptionally precious. But given she no longer had one, I had to make the ultimate decision.  So that she can move on with whatever happens when we pass and our family could move on with healing rather than mourning in the hospital everyday.

Had it been illegal, I would have done it anyway. 

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Pemalite said:
jason1637 said:

Life is precious and the government shouldn't let people kill themselves.

edit: No I haven't worked in an emergency room.

It wouldn't be the decision of the Government, it would be a decision by the person in pain, if anything not having it legalized means that the Government is controlling peoples options related to their own life rather than allowing individuals the right to choose. - Thus your stance is a little bit (And respectfully) hypocritical.

I didn't ask if you worked in an emergency room... That kind of life experience isn't necessary to get an appropriate idea of what kind of quality of life (Or lack there-of) these people looking at such options have.

We are talking about individuals confined to a bed in excessive pain, unable to walk, partake in family events like birthdays, work or live life, they generally need a carer/nurse to look after them... And often many are unable to even sleep due to the constant excessive pain without the aid of powerful drugs... In short, they are a vegetable that is constantly screaming out for help... And they can end up being in that state for decades... It's frankly rather depressing.

In any other scenario we would put an animal down to end it's suffering, where-as with human beings we seem to prolong it.

I used to work as a carer, I had to care for such individuals, it's not pretty, it's not easy...

The government shouldnt let people make that decision. I don't like the government getting involved in a lot of things but not promoting sucide is a good thing.

That's literally what you asked "Have you worked in the emergency services or the health sector and seen what people have to endure even with the aid of powerful drugs?". I haven't worked in these places but i've been in an emergency room a few times and yeah the pain people go through sucks but they should just fight it and they can get better.

People should not decide to put an animal down because we don't have their consent and it's wrong anyway.



Immersiveunreality said:
jason1637 said:

Life is precious and the government shouldn't let people kill themselves.

edit: No I haven't worked in an emergency room.

Not for everyone,people should have the freedom to decide that for themselves.

I do not think you ever had to endure the kind of pain or even come close to what some of those experience,if you had you might have came up with a better argument instead of mirroring that personal take.

So since I haven't experienced something I can't give my opinion on it?



jason1637 said:

The government shouldnt let people make that decision. I don't like the government getting involved in a lot of things but not promoting sucide is a good thing.

That's literally what you asked "Have you worked in the emergency services or the health sector and seen what people have to endure even with the aid of powerful drugs?". I haven't worked in these places but i've been in an emergency room a few times and yeah the pain people go through sucks but they should just fight it and they can get better.

People should not decide to put an animal down because we don't have their consent and it's wrong anyway.

Euthanasia isn't promoting suicide.  

Some people aren't going to get better.  People with painful terminal cancer with 3 weeks to live might want to make the decision to end their life.  

People that are living off machines, in horrible agony, with no chance of recovery, might make the decision that they want to end their life.  



jason1637 said:
Pemalite said:

It wouldn't be the decision of the Government, it would be a decision by the person in pain, if anything not having it legalized means that the Government is controlling peoples options related to their own life rather than allowing individuals the right to choose. - Thus your stance is a little bit (And respectfully) hypocritical.

I didn't ask if you worked in an emergency room... That kind of life experience isn't necessary to get an appropriate idea of what kind of quality of life (Or lack there-of) these people looking at such options have.

We are talking about individuals confined to a bed in excessive pain, unable to walk, partake in family events like birthdays, work or live life, they generally need a carer/nurse to look after them... And often many are unable to even sleep due to the constant excessive pain without the aid of powerful drugs... In short, they are a vegetable that is constantly screaming out for help... And they can end up being in that state for decades... It's frankly rather depressing.

In any other scenario we would put an animal down to end it's suffering, where-as with human beings we seem to prolong it.

I used to work as a carer, I had to care for such individuals, it's not pretty, it's not easy...

The government shouldnt let people make that decision. I don't like the government getting involved in a lot of things but not promoting sucide is a good thing.

That's literally what you asked "Have you worked in the emergency services or the health sector and seen what people have to endure even with the aid of powerful drugs?". I haven't worked in these places but i've been in an emergency room a few times and yeah the pain people go through sucks but they should just fight it and they can get better.

People should not decide to put an animal down because we don't have their consent and it's wrong anyway.

I wish your optimism were a valid representation of reality.  I truly wish it were.



Massimus - "Trump already has democrat support."

jason1637 said:
Immersiveunreality said:

Not for everyone,people should have the freedom to decide that for themselves.

I do not think you ever had to endure the kind of pain or even come close to what some of those experience,if you had you might have came up with a better argument instead of mirroring that personal take.

So since I haven't experienced something I can't give my opinion on it?

You always can but it looks like your lack of experience holds you back from seeing the full picture,thinking "suicide is bad" and involving that into this argument could be considered a pretty empty black and white thoughtprocess .