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EricHiggin said:


I have no clue what you are talking about.  The video you posted only gave Ben a chance to state his opinion where he wasn't challenge on his stance.  He gets an opportunity to state how he viewed the interview but not really his performance.  This is what is called an echo chamber, when the person agrees with everything you say and give you comfort on your position.  Why don't you go find a video where someone challenge him on his performance during that video and maybe I can see your point.

None of these have anything to do with the other and don't build upon each other?

We initially talk about Ben going on Crowder (and nothing to do with Ben's show), and you say Ben went on Crowder because it's a safe place, echo chamber, bubble, etc, so he would be treated with kid gloves, unlike how he was treated by the BBC.

Then you later state the echo chamber, wheelhouse, etc, you had mentioned earlier, is actually Ben's own show where he can be in his bubble and have on guests who won't give him a hard time so he can feel good about himself.

Then I point out it was Ben on Crowder's show that we have been talking about, both of them conservatives, at the very least viewed that way, which is partially based on my conservatives and safe spaces point, and where you initially pointed out Ben and his echo chamber, safe spaces, etc, being on Crowder's show.

You also pointed out that my making 'assumptions' made an a** out of me and you. If I am, or at least are viewed as an Rep elephant, why try and say that makes me a Dem donkey? This is a joke btw, and could understand if you didn't catch this one.

Does this clear things up or are you still unsure about the connections between the posts?

Ok, that video wasn't Ben show, you got me there.  Now show me during that show at what point does Crowder challenge Ben performance during the BBC interview.  At no point did that happen but instead right from the jump Crowder calls Neil (the interviewer from BBC) an Asshole and from that point on it was a hug session.  You might as well brought out the violin from there as it got pretty sappy from that point.  So, can you show me an interview where the host isn't from the Jump on his side because if that wasn't a nice safe place for Ben to vent then I couldn't think of a better place.

Lol, I guess you really jump the fence on the "Assumptions make an ass out of you and me line".  That statement had absolutely nothing to do with any political stance at all but was meant literally to you making assumptions period.



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SpokenTruth said:

You know how Trump, the administration and his base like to claim the world was laughing at us during the Obama administration and that they now respect us?  I'd like to present you with exhibits A, B, C, D and E on the contrary.

During Trump's recent trip to England, he was met with the following:

-Snip-

Lol those are pretty savage. The UK really don't play around.



SpokenTruth said:

Trump said there were no protests (except a small one) and was greeted by thousands of loving fans on the parade route..

This was the "small" protest he missed and the parade route (start at 73 seconds).

And then Fox says, they were booing Bolton, definitely not Ivanka Trump at that section.

But maybe they should have allowed the protests to come close to him, so he would have been able to see it with his own eyes, as I increasingly believe that he's believing half of the stuff he's saying because he's getting shielded from all the bad news so much he doesn't believe them anymore.



Machiavellian said:
EricHiggin said:

Machiavellian said:

I have no clue what you are talking about.  The video you posted only gave Ben a chance to state his opinion where he wasn't challenge on his stance.  He gets an opportunity to state how he viewed the interview but not really his performance.  This is what is called an echo chamber, when the person agrees with everything you say and give you comfort on your position.  Why don't you go find a video where someone challenge him on his performance during that video and maybe I can see your point.

None of these have anything to do with the other and don't build upon each other?

We initially talk about Ben going on Crowder (and nothing to do with Ben's show), and you say Ben went on Crowder because it's a safe place, echo chamber, bubble, etc, so he would be treated with kid gloves, unlike how he was treated by the BBC.

Then you later state the echo chamber, wheelhouse, etc, you had mentioned earlier, is actually Ben's own show where he can be in his bubble and have on guests who won't give him a hard time so he can feel good about himself.

Then I point out it was Ben on Crowder's show that we have been talking about, both of them conservatives, at the very least viewed that way, which is partially based on my conservatives and safe spaces point, and where you initially pointed out Ben and his echo chamber, safe spaces, etc, being on Crowder's show.

You also pointed out that my making 'assumptions' made an a** out of me and you. If I am, or at least are viewed as an Rep elephant, why try and say that makes me a Dem donkey? This is a joke btw, and could understand if you didn't catch this one.

Does this clear things up or are you still unsure about the connections between the posts?

Ok, that video wasn't Ben show, you got me there.  Now show me during that show at what point does Crowder challenge Ben performance during the BBC interview.  At no point did that happen but instead right from the jump Crowder calls Neil (the interviewer from BBC) an Asshole and from that point on it was a hug session.  You might as well brought out the violin from there as it got pretty sappy from that point.  So, can you show me an interview where the host isn't from the Jump on his side because if that wasn't a nice safe place for Ben to vent then I couldn't think of a better place.

Lol, I guess you really jump the fence on the "Assumptions make an ass out of you and me line".  That statement had absolutely nothing to do with any political stance at all but was meant literally to you making assumptions period.

39:25-39:45, 42:15-42:25, 43:35-44:05, 44:30-44:35. Some are pure negative, some are partially negative, some seem like a joke but Crowder's not entirely joking. He masks it well with his tone and how he delivers it but he's clearly not kissing Ben's butt the entire time, and you can see Ben knows it but carefully deflects or gently touches on it and moves forward quickly.

Here's a montage of Crowder entering Ben's safe space, and vice versa. Ben is at his best in these clips since he's in a secure bubble.

We were talking about Shapiro, which had some politics tied into it, and you just randomly made a point about assumptions I wasn't making in the immediate conversation, but general one's I make aside from the conversation at hand?

I ask you about assuming racism or bigotry, and you reply in a separate final sentence, like I had, about me and my assumptions, and that has nothing to do with politics or our conversation?

So now not only are the posts separate, the paragraphs and/or sentences in those posts are to be taken separate as well?

And to think Ben reflected on the situation, realized where he went wrong, and has said he made some mistakes that he regrets and needs to be better going forward. Certainly not someone to be imitated.



Bofferbrauer2 said:
SpokenTruth said:

Trump said there were no protests (except a small one) and was greeted by thousands of loving fans on the parade route..

This was the "small" protest he missed and the parade route (start at 73 seconds).

And then Fox says, they were booing Bolton, definitely not Ivanka Trump at that section.

But maybe they should have allowed the protests to come close to him, so he would have been able to see it with his own eyes, as I increasingly believe that he's believing half of the stuff he's saying because he's getting shielded from all the bad news so much he doesn't believe them anymore.

Lol, I am sure the people in the WH is shielding Trump from as much negative information as possible. It does become comical when he tweets his alternate truth to these events.



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EricHiggin said:
Machiavellian said:

Ok, that video wasn't Ben show, you got me there.  Now show me during that show at what point does Crowder challenge Ben performance during the BBC interview.  At no point did that happen but instead right from the jump Crowder calls Neil (the interviewer from BBC) an Asshole and from that point on it was a hug session.  You might as well brought out the violin from there as it got pretty sappy from that point.  So, can you show me an interview where the host isn't from the Jump on his side because if that wasn't a nice safe place for Ben to vent then I couldn't think of a better place.

Lol, I guess you really jump the fence on the "Assumptions make an ass out of you and me line".  That statement had absolutely nothing to do with any political stance at all but was meant literally to you making assumptions period.

39:25-39:45, 42:15-42:25, 43:35-44:05, 44:30-44:35. Some are pure negative, some are partially negative, some seem like a joke but Crowder's not entirely joking. He masks it well with his tone and how he delivers it but he's clearly not kissing Ben's butt the entire time, and you can see Ben knows it but carefully deflects or gently touches on it and moves forward quickly.

Here's a montage of Crowder entering Ben's safe space, and vice versa. Ben is at his best in these clips since he's in a secure bubble.

We were talking about Shapiro, which had some politics tied into it, and you just randomly made a point about assumptions I wasn't making in the immediate conversation, but general one's I make aside from the conversation at hand?

I ask you about assuming racism or bigotry, and you reply in a separate final sentence, like I had, about me and my assumptions, and that has nothing to do with politics or our conversation?

So now not only are the posts separate, the paragraphs and/or sentences in those posts are to be taken separate as well?

And to think Ben reflected on the situation, realized where he went wrong, and has said he made some mistakes that he regrets and needs to be better going forward. Certainly not someone to be imitated.

Yes, I did make a random point about assumptions because I love that saying and was being facetious.  As with any text, it's hard to convey such things without some emote or something.

As to the video you just posted, Lol, did you watch this video.  Its like 2 college buddies seeing how much zingers they can throw at each other.  Is this suppose to be you providing a video showing how Crowder isn't a safe place.  OKKKKK, We need not continue this conversation because we definitely not seeing the 2 events the same and never will.

After watching this video, I think you would be better served if you just threw out one of your analogies then this defense.  I already gave credit to Ben for at least acknowledging his behavior was poor and stated he probably would do better but who knows.  Maybe Neil find something else to get underneath his skin.



Machiavellian said:
EricHiggin said:

39:25-39:45, 42:15-42:25, 43:35-44:05, 44:30-44:35. Some are pure negative, some are partially negative, some seem like a joke but Crowder's not entirely joking. He masks it well with his tone and how he delivers it but he's clearly not kissing Ben's butt the entire time, and you can see Ben knows it but carefully deflects or gently touches on it and moves forward quickly.

Here's a montage of Crowder entering Ben's safe space, and vice versa. Ben is at his best in these clips since he's in a secure bubble.

We were talking about Shapiro, which had some politics tied into it, and you just randomly made a point about assumptions I wasn't making in the immediate conversation, but general one's I make aside from the conversation at hand?

I ask you about assuming racism or bigotry, and you reply in a separate final sentence, like I had, about me and my assumptions, and that has nothing to do with politics or our conversation?

So now not only are the posts separate, the paragraphs and/or sentences in those posts are to be taken separate as well?

And to think Ben reflected on the situation, realized where he went wrong, and has said he made some mistakes that he regrets and needs to be better going forward. Certainly not someone to be imitated.

Yes, I did make a random point about assumptions because I love that saying and was being facetious.  As with any text, it's hard to convey such things without some emote or something.

As to the video you just posted, Lol, did you watch this video.  Its like 2 college buddies seeing how much zingers they can throw at each other.  Is this suppose to be you providing a video showing how Crowder isn't a safe place.  OKKKKK, We need not continue this conversation because we definitely not seeing the 2 events the same and never will.

After watching this video, I think you would be better served if you just threw out one of your analogies then this defense.  I already gave credit to Ben for at least acknowledging his behavior was poor and stated he probably would do better but who knows.  Maybe Neil find something else to get underneath his skin.

Isn't Crowder his platform open for any opposing discussion towards him?

He is good in outspeaking people but that does not make his platform a safe space,he could have a segment being a safe space but not his whole platform.

Edit: He even throws himself into the public to have debates with random people.



Machiavellian said:
EricHiggin said:

39:25-39:45, 42:15-42:25, 43:35-44:05, 44:30-44:35. Some are pure negative, some are partially negative, some seem like a joke but Crowder's not entirely joking. He masks it well with his tone and how he delivers it but he's clearly not kissing Ben's butt the entire time, and you can see Ben knows it but carefully deflects or gently touches on it and moves forward quickly.

Here's a montage of Crowder entering Ben's safe space, and vice versa. Ben is at his best in these clips since he's in a secure bubble.

We were talking about Shapiro, which had some politics tied into it, and you just randomly made a point about assumptions I wasn't making in the immediate conversation, but general one's I make aside from the conversation at hand?

I ask you about assuming racism or bigotry, and you reply in a separate final sentence, like I had, about me and my assumptions, and that has nothing to do with politics or our conversation?

So now not only are the posts separate, the paragraphs and/or sentences in those posts are to be taken separate as well?

And to think Ben reflected on the situation, realized where he went wrong, and has said he made some mistakes that he regrets and needs to be better going forward. Certainly not someone to be imitated.

Yes, I did make a random point about assumptions because I love that saying and was being facetious.  As with any text, it's hard to convey such things without some emote or something.

As to the video you just posted, Lol, did you watch this video.  Its like 2 college buddies seeing how much zingers they can throw at each other.  Is this suppose to be you providing a video showing how Crowder isn't a safe place.  OKKKKK, We need not continue this conversation because we definitely not seeing the 2 events the same and never will.

After watching this video, I think you would be better served if you just threw out one of your analogies then this defense.  I already gave credit to Ben for at least acknowledging his behavior was poor and stated he probably would do better but who knows.  Maybe Neil find something else to get underneath his skin.

I'm not sure if this first point is connected in any way to a prior post or is completely separate of the conversation. I'd like to make an assumption but I know what type of response I get for doing so.

Ben points out how deeply uncomfortable he is with nudity, especially when it comes to males, and yet he has to put up with this on his own show, which is his safe space... He doesn't learn apparently, and still goes on Crowder's shows, another apparent safe space, and then deals with more uncomfortable negativity. In one of my time examples, Crowder directly talks about the BBC interview, as well as another, and points out how he thought it was risky and wouldn't have done it if it were him. He's nicely calling Ben an idiot for doing so himself, and then Ben explains why he did it. They are quite chummy at times but they are also giving each other a hard time, just doing so in a well masked, professional upfront manner, unlike the BBC. There's trying to get a straight answer out of someone, and there's trying to purposely smear them. Sounds like Crowder is a safe space for Shapiro because he's not purposely trying to destroy Ben's career.

That video montage was the analogy basically. I wasn't really talking about Ben. Neil could show some skin to get under Ben's skin, but that would be too buddy buddy and Crowder might get jealous, so he'll have to stick to verbal sneak attacks. Poor Neil.



Immersiveunreality said:
Machiavellian said:

Yes, I did make a random point about assumptions because I love that saying and was being facetious.  As with any text, it's hard to convey such things without some emote or something.

As to the video you just posted, Lol, did you watch this video.  Its like 2 college buddies seeing how much zingers they can throw at each other.  Is this suppose to be you providing a video showing how Crowder isn't a safe place.  OKKKKK, We need not continue this conversation because we definitely not seeing the 2 events the same and never will.

After watching this video, I think you would be better served if you just threw out one of your analogies then this defense.  I already gave credit to Ben for at least acknowledging his behavior was poor and stated he probably would do better but who knows.  Maybe Neil find something else to get underneath his skin.

Isn't Crowder his platform open for any opposing discussion towards him?

He is good in outspeaking people but that does not make his platform a safe space,he could have a segment being a safe space but not his whole platform.

Edit: He even throws himself into the public to have debates with random people.

Crowder doesn't get all that much opposition because he tends to go destroyer on people sometimes as well, he just tends to do so in a more lighthearted manner than Ben does. This somehow means that when Ben the destroyer meets face to face with Crowder the destroyer, to talk about how Ben took some damage from a submarine that surfaced, that Crowder is a safe space for not finishing Ben off apparently.

I'd say when two destroyers come head to head it's best to avoid doing battle since odds are good you're both going to destroy each other, once and for all, so why bother fighting if you really don't have to? Nothing wrong with passing by and flipping each other the bird though.

Mach said they preferred analogies, and since they are doing their best to make me happy, I figured this was the least I could do.



Immersiveunreality said:
Machiavellian said:

Yes, I did make a random point about assumptions because I love that saying and was being facetious.  As with any text, it's hard to convey such things without some emote or something.

As to the video you just posted, Lol, did you watch this video.  Its like 2 college buddies seeing how much zingers they can throw at each other.  Is this suppose to be you providing a video showing how Crowder isn't a safe place.  OKKKKK, We need not continue this conversation because we definitely not seeing the 2 events the same and never will.

After watching this video, I think you would be better served if you just threw out one of your analogies then this defense.  I already gave credit to Ben for at least acknowledging his behavior was poor and stated he probably would do better but who knows.  Maybe Neil find something else to get underneath his skin.

Isn't Crowder his platform open for any opposing discussion towards him?

He is good in outspeaking people but that does not make his platform a safe space,he could have a segment being a safe space but not his whole platform.

Edit: He even throws himself into the public to have debates with random people.

To be honest, I have no clue who Crowder is but instead I am just watching the videos being posted by EricHiggins.  In none of those videos was Ben actually challenged on his behavior instead it was like 2 buddies discussing the weather.  I have no clue what relationship either has with each other but that video certainly didn't sell me that this was a neutral environment.  A safe place is somewhere you know the format, the person and how to move and act without being challenge.  Would you say after watching that video that Ben wasn't as comfortable talking to Crowder then if he was talking to his best friend.