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JRPGfan on 02 June 2020
KLAMarine said:
A fashion shop near my home has been hit. I ask myself "what did these people do to anyone to deserve this?"

Nothing. They did nothing to anyone to deserve that...

Inequality.
The poor, without a job perphaps currently, and takeing advantage of this situation to loot.
Those arnt protesters. Their "mainly" poor black people, that want free stuff.

If inequality wasn't as much of a issue in the US, you wouldnt have riots and looting so often.

Though I agree, the shop did nothing to deserve to be looted.
Its a societal problem, caused by the policies of those elected.

Theres plenty of legit protesters though, with a real cause, that arnt running around looting and rioting.
maybe the cops should stop confronting peacefull protesters, and instead go round up all the looters?



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JRPGfan on 02 June 2020
KLAMarine said:
Soundwave said:

A store can be rebuilt. You can't bring people back from the dead last time I checked. 

Indeed, you cannot bring back the dead, no matter how hard you riot. Riots can only claim more lives.

As brutal as that sounds there truth to this.

Without a doubt these protests will cause more deaths, and wont be bringing anyone back.
The protesters view the cause of human lives this takes, as justifiable if it prevents future occurances like the one that just happend.

I've always been worried that these protests are takeing place mid a pandemic.
Without a doube this will futher spread, and lead to 1000's of times more dead, than that 1 cop caused.

However this isnt a "balance" act between lives, but about justice for black people in america.



LurkerJ on 02 June 2020

"Rioting & looting sends a message, it works, our goals will be achieved if we keep doing this!"

Assuming this is actually true and it does work to riot, but work to achieve what? what are you goals anyway? what do you want?

Every subset of the society in the US has lost some of its members due to police brutality, you're not more likely or less likely to be a victim because of your skin color. You have no cause, and this is not gonna fix anything because you're rioting against the problem that doesn't exist EVEN IF we all hypothetically agreed that rioting and looting solve those problems.



Torillian on 02 June 2020
LurkerJ said:

"Rioting & looting sends a message, it works, our goals will be achieved if we keep doing this!"

Assuming this is actually true and it does work to riot, but work to achieve what? what are you goals anyway? what do you want?

Every subset of the society in the US has lost some of its members due to police brutality, you're not more likely or less likely to be a victim because of your skin color. You have no cause, and this is not gonna fix anything because you're rioting against the problem that doesn't exist EVEN IF we all hypothetically agreed that rioting and looting solve those problems.

I have never heard the claim that all racial groups are equally likely to be the victim of police brutality. Do you have any studies to back that up? 

Here's mine: https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793

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Soundwave on 02 June 2020
LurkerJ said:

"Rioting & looting sends a message, it works, our goals will be achieved if we keep doing this!"

Assuming this is actually true and it does work to riot, but work to achieve what? what are you goals anyway? what do you want?

Every subset of the society in the US has lost some of its members due to police brutality, you're not more likely or less likely to be a victim because of your skin color. You have no cause, and this is not gonna fix anything because you're rioting against the problem that doesn't exist EVEN IF we all hypothetically agreed that rioting and looting solve those problems.

They want the officer responsible to be arrested, and the 3 others to be charged also. Initially they were dragging their feet on even charging the responsible officer, likely he would have been slapped on the wrist and allowed to return to working the streets in 6 months or something. 

Because the riots scared the crap out of the powers that be that officer is likely now going to jail at least. These things have happened multiple times and multiple 'peaceful protest' was tried and a blind eye or faux outrage was turned towards it. 

This time, people had enough. When you marginalize a sizable portion of your population to the point where your police can murder them on camera without serious repercussion eventually you will get a response. And even after that if you are given multiple opportunities to do something other than sit there and shrug, don't come crying afterwards that they eventually they lash back out. A peaceful society is earned, not gifted for nothing. 

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Snoopy on 02 June 2020
Ka-pi96 said:
So, I've gotta ask what the fuck is wrong with the American government?

I still maintain that the protests should be 100% peaceful and anybody turning them violent (on either side!) should be dealt with as a criminal. But it just seems like the government, and trump in particular, is doing everything possible to incite hatred and make things worse. Like, there's no attempt to actually resolve the situation, they just want to bully people into stopping. It's the kind of thing you'd expect from China "send in the goons when somebody questions the goverment" but from a supposedly "free" country? WTF?

As opposed to what? Reading a fairy tale book and hoping that rainbows will shoot out of their eyes? You need to use some force to stop people from rioting and throw harsh prison sentences for those who are endangering people lives. I still believe anyone who takes a life (non self defence situation) or endager someone's life should experience life or at least 20+ years of jail.

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Immersiveunreality on 02 June 2020
Ka-pi96 said:
So, I've gotta ask what the fuck is wrong with the American government?

I still maintain that the protests should be 100% peaceful and anybody turning them violent (on either side!) should be dealt with as a criminal. But it just seems like the government, and trump in particular, is doing everything possible to incite hatred and make things worse. Like, there's no attempt to actually resolve the situation, they just want to bully people into stopping. It's the kind of thing you'd expect from China "send in the goons when somebody questions the goverment" but from a supposedly "free" country? WTF?

Yes i agree with this,atm as a goverment it would be very wise to put out more soothing words/speeches instead of all the threats and biting that are happening now.



Barozi on 02 June 2020
Ka-pi96 said:
So, I've gotta ask what the fuck is wrong with the American government?

I still maintain that the protests should be 100% peaceful and anybody turning them violent (on either side!) should be dealt with as a criminal. But it just seems like the government, and trump in particular, is doing everything possible to incite hatred and make things worse. Like, there's no attempt to actually resolve the situation, they just want to bully people into stopping. It's the kind of thing you'd expect from China "send in the goons when somebody questions the goverment" but from a supposedly "free" country? WTF?

Isn't it ironic that the anniversary of the Tiananmen massacre is on the 4th of June (and Hong Kong banned the vigil commemorating it for the first time).

Maybe US citizens will look back on these riots in 31 years...



Barozi on 02 June 2020
Snoopy said:
Ka-pi96 said:
So, I've gotta ask what the fuck is wrong with the American government?

I still maintain that the protests should be 100% peaceful and anybody turning them violent (on either side!) should be dealt with as a criminal. But it just seems like the government, and trump in particular, is doing everything possible to incite hatred and make things worse. Like, there's no attempt to actually resolve the situation, they just want to bully people into stopping. It's the kind of thing you'd expect from China "send in the goons when somebody questions the goverment" but from a supposedly "free" country? WTF?

As opposed to what? Reading a fairy tale book and hoping that rainbows will shoot out of their eyes? You need to use some force to stop people from rioting and throw harsh prison sentences for those who are endangering people lives. I still believe anyone who takes a life (non self defence situation) or endager someone's life should experience life or at least 20+ years of jail.

So how did France manage the yellow vests movement?

"In his 10 December speech to the French people in response to the movement, Macron pledged a €100 per month increase in the minimum wage in 2019, the exclusion of charges and taxes on overtime hours in 2019, and on any 2018 end-of-year bonuses paid to employees. Macron likewise announced that pensioners on low incomes would be excluded from an increase in the CSG in 2019. He stood by his replacement of the solidarity tax on wealth with increases in property taxes.[155][156] The broadcast was watched by more than 23 million people, making it the most-viewed political speech in French history."

The protests fell significantly after that. So.. yeah maybe listen to the people and do something to improve the situation?



KLAMarine on 02 June 2020
Soundwave said:
LurkerJ said:

"Rioting & looting sends a message, it works, our goals will be achieved if we keep doing this!"

Assuming this is actually true and it does work to riot, but work to achieve what? what are you goals anyway? what do you want?

Every subset of the society in the US has lost some of its members due to police brutality, you're not more likely or less likely to be a victim because of your skin color. You have no cause, and this is not gonna fix anything because you're rioting against the problem that doesn't exist EVEN IF we all hypothetically agreed that rioting and looting solve those problems.

They want the officer responsible to be arrested, and the 3 others to be charged also. Initially they were dragging their feet on even charging the responsible officer, likely he would have been slapped on the wrist and allowed to return to working the streets in 6 months or something. 

Because the riots scared the crap out of the powers that be that officer is likely now going to jail at least. These things have happened multiple times and multiple 'peaceful protest' was tried and a blind eye or faux outrage was turned towards it. 

This time, people had enough. When you marginalize a sizable portion of your population to the point where your police can murder them on camera without serious repercussion eventually you will get a response. And even after that if you are given multiple opportunities to do something other than sit there and shrug, don't come crying afterwards that they eventually they lash back out. A peaceful society is earned, not gifted for nothing. 

>I have a question for you Soundwave: whose viewpoint is being criticized with this image? Can you give me their name?