Quantcast
The Official US Politics OT

Forums - Politics Discussion - The Official US Politics OT

Snoopy said:
the-pi-guy said:
Yes, it's the Democrats fault, that the entire world was undergoing a recession that started while Republicans controlled Congress and the presidency.

Actually, it is pretty low when Republican controls both Congress and the presidency. As soon as Democrats touch anything, things go to shit. Just look at California.

Yeah, as if the economic crisis hadn't been kicked of by and under a republican president and under a republican house and senate. It needed a democrat to pull the country out of that mess that the republicans made under Bush junior. And he did, brought unemployment down from over 10% to below 5% and steady economic development with ~3% growth annually. The latter seems familiar? That's because Trump has just continued on the trend with the economic growth but is doing everything to buck it, from increasing the inequalities with his tax cut for the wealthy (like him) over torpedoing the US economy with his his petty trade war to risking a worldwide recession incoming with the no-deal Brexit he's supporting.

But why am I even writing this, I'm sure you're going to dismiss it all for some crazy fringe conspiration theory or something like that because you seem unable to see that the republicans are no angels or have a closer look to what they actually do.

Last edited by Bofferbrauer2 - on 24 August 2019

Around the Network
Bofferbrauer2 said:
Snoopy said:

Actually, it is pretty low when Republican controls both Congress and the presidency. As soon as Democrats touch anything, things go to shit. Just look at California.

Yeah, as if the economic crisis hadn't been kicked of by and under a republican president and under a republican house and senate. It needed a democrat to pull the country out of that mess that the republicans made under Bush junior. And he did, brought unemployment down from over 10% to below 5% and steady economic development with ~3% growth annually. The latter seems familiar? That's because Trump has just continued on the trend with the economic growth but is doing everything to buck it, from increasing the inequalities with his tax cut for the wealthy (like him) over torpedoing the US economy with his his petty trade war to risking a worldwide recession incoming with the no-deal Brexit he's supporting.

But why am I even writing this, I'm sure you're going to dismiss it all for some crazy fringe conspiration theory or something like that because you seem unable to see that the republicans are no angels or have a closer look to what they actually do.

Nah, context isn't real. Everything exists in a vacuum. Whenever a new individual is elected president, everything else is immediately erased and we start new. How can trends be real if context isn't real?

/sarcasm

There is no point in continuing a conversation with someone who doesn't understand the concept of linear time.



I don't think the last recession can be individually blamed of either Republicans or Democrats, being that much of the legislation that led to the housing crisis had been getting passed for the prior like...20 years, and there were numerous combinations in power during that time frame who didn't fix it.



Money can't buy happiness. Just video games, which make me happy.

Baalzamon said:
I don't think the last recession can be individually blamed of either Republicans or Democrats, being that much of the legislation that led to the housing crisis had been getting passed for the prior like...20 years, and there were numerous combinations in power during that time frame who didn't fix it.

However, Trump's petty trade wars and tarriffs are going to make it much worse.

He even went out and said he's right to order American companies around, further cementing him as a brainless white trash tyrant.



Some days I just blow up.

SpokenTruth said:
EricHiggin said:

I got the point, but I don't think you got where I took it. Yes, you could just ban all guns based on your original statement, that's one way to look at it. The problem is why weapons were made in the first place, and who made them. To remove guns you're just asking for other weapons to be used, or for new even more efficient weapons to be made in there place, unless you create a perfectly equal society this time around, which you won't be able to do. I'm simply looking at the bigger picture, not just the statement in a bubble.

------

Well what was the point in saying "If guns don't kill people, people do.....then guns don't protect people, people do."? Especially since you directed it at the NRA since they are using that as a scapegoat to allow guns in your eyes. It would only make sense if you thought having guns was a bad thing. Considering it's people protecting people, why would you need guns?

If it has nothing to do with people having guns or banning guns, then it really doesn't make any sense. You're not nullifying anything if you're not proving they're wrong, and the only way to do that is to prove things would be better without guns, since their point is that bad people who use guns kill people, not good people with guns. The slogan is just a shorter, more to the point version of that.

So, no you, just as KLAMarine, did not get the point.  Nor understand the nullification of the statement itself, it seems.  So I'll repeat what I said to KLAMarine for you.

Your whole logic train runs like this.

Strong dominates weak > weak obtains gun to dominate strong > strong is now the weak > new weak/former strong obtains gun to dominate against new strong/former weak = we all have guns.

We are the only developed nation on Earth with this irrational band-aid mentality.

And if you really want to go back to the actual point of it all....if people are the actual problem, why the hell aren't we trying to fix the people? If people are the problem, why the hell do we want to give the problem lethal weapons?

Well isn't that what happened? Not just within America, either. Weaker people of other nations also created stronger weapons to defeat the people of strong nations.

Your nation likely wouldn't have got to where it is without it, and yet people still flock to your nation for some odd reason, even though there are many other developed nations who've solved this issue apparently.

Our conversation right here should be explanation enough. People are different, so you can just imagine 100's of millions of people arguing about it and where it would lead. Who is a problem and who isn't? Where do you draw the line? If those people are borderline and aren't aloud to have a gun, yet get gunned down while being left unequally defenseless, is that ok?

The problem when it comes to safety is people don't really care about the greater good in that aspect. People are very selfish when it comes to safety, and naturally so. It's a rarity to find someone who would risk or give their life to save some people they don't know and never will. It's also not fair to give someone an advantage over another when it comes to life or death, because you don't know the future, just the odds, and the odds are far from guaranteed.

Fixing people is something people have been working on for thousands of years, and we have no idea if we truly have made things better or worse. All we have is our perspective and that doesn't prove right from wrong unfortunately.



The Canadian National Anthem According To Justin Trudeau

 

Oh planet Earth! The home of native lands, 
True social law, in all of us demand.
With cattle farts, we view sea rise,
Our North sinking slowly.
From far and snide, oh planet Earth, 
Our healthcare is yours free!
Science save our land, harnessing the breeze,
Oh planet Earth, smoke weed and ferment yeast.
Oh planet Earth, ell gee bee queue and tee.

Around the Network

Trump hires a thief and plagiarist with multiple DUI's as his new Press Secretary.

Only the best people. Drain that swamp. MAGA.



TallSilhouette said:
Trump hires a thief and plagiarist with multiple DUI's as his new Press Secretary.

Only the best people. Drain that swamp. MAGA.

It's like he's making himself look worse and worse on purpose, like all the bankruptcy he cause, the domestic terrorists he inspired, and the children who's lives he's ruined, it's all a game to this amoral rich white trash bastard.

This is America.



Some days I just blow up.

TallSilhouette said:
Trump hires a thief and plagiarist with multiple DUI's as his new Press Secretary.

Only the best people. Drain that swamp. MAGA.

He never precised the best people in what category. In this instance, it's the best plagiarist for Press secretary to copy all the excuses she can find when he fucks up again.

He's draining the swamp - of the good people and fill it with crooks. See? It's all point of view! But that doesn't make his actions any better.




vivster said:

Sometimes a solution can be worse than the problem. I mean what kind of things have guns in civilian hands actually fixed?

You can actually draw a really great parallel here to the middle east. Remember when shipping lots and lots of guns to a fragile region did not solve anything and instead fucked up everything for everyone forever? Same can be seen in the US.

Notice how the effort currently is to de-arm everyone to fix the problem that was introduced by guns? The US hilariously gets really furious when it doesn't manage to de-arm other countries. But yeah, self reflection and noticing big fat irony is not a strong suit of the men in power.

So you're saying the weak should pay reparations to everyone who's died from a man made weapon? Are the weak to blame for all this, since it's they who created weapons in the first place so they had a more equal chance, if not advantage, to defend themselves?

The problem I think a lot of the gun haters don't understand is that many would give up their guns if there was a reasonable plan that would guarantee their safety as well as the safety of others. No plan comes close to accomplishing that though, and simply saying less people will die isn't good enough when it comes to each individual person and their own safety. If less people die, but one of those who dies is a past gun owner, who now was defenseless against the weapon used against them, then why give up their gun in the first place?

The US isn't a lawless wasteland. It's a developed country, or at least it pretends to be one.

How is it possible that literally every other developed country does not have citizens so afraid of their surroundings that they feel the need for self protection? Could it be that when I walk out side that I can be 100% sure that I won't encounter anyone armed with a gun? Could it be that the lack of guns in civilian hands actually makes people feel safer? Could it be that it's a lot more useful to attack the cause of a problem instead of trying to find a solution to a self made problem that literally only a single developed country on this planet has?

It's funny that you bring up the weak because they are the ones who disproportionally suffer from gun violence and also the ones less likely to be able to afford protection. And please define "weak" to me because from where I stand every single person is "weak" when confronted with a gun. So you create weak people by giving guns to people who shouldn't have them and then you try to solve the issue by giving the weak you just created also guns to create even more weak people? Do you know how ridiculous that sounds? Of course you don't.

If guns actually fixed a safety issue then you wouldn't need guns anymore because everyone feels safe. But how would anyone ever feel safe in a country where everyone else is armed to the teeth ready to murder you at any time. I know I wouldn't feel safe and that's why I would never set a food in that backwater place that pretends to care for the safety of its citizens but at the same time profits greatly by keeping them in constant fear. 

Last edited by vivster - on 26 August 2019

If you demand respect or gratitude for your volunteer work, you're doing volunteering wrong.

vivster said:

So you're saying the weak should pay reparations to everyone who's died from a man made weapon? Are the weak to blame for all this, since it's they who created weapons in the first place so they had a more equal chance, if not advantage, to defend themselves?

The problem I think a lot of the gun haters don't understand is that many would give up their guns if there was a reasonable plan that would guarantee their safety as well as the safety of others. No plan comes close to accomplishing that though, and simply saying less people will die isn't good enough when it comes to each individual person and their own safety. If less people die, but one of those who dies is a past gun owner, who now was defenseless against the weapon used against them, then why give up their gun in the first place?

The US isn't a lawless wasteland. It's a developed country, or at least it pretends to be one.

How is it possible that literally every other developed country does not have citizens so afraid of their surroundings that they feel the need for self protection? Could it be that when I walk out side that I can be 100% sure that I won't encounter anyone armed with a gun? Could it be that the lack of guns in civilian hands actually makes people feel safer? Could it be that it's a lot more useful to attack the cause of a problem instead of trying to find a solution to a self made problem that literally only a single developed country on this planet has?

It's funny that you bring up the weak because they are the ones who disproportionally suffer from gun violence and also the ones less likely to be able to afford protection. And please define "weak" to me because from where I stand every single person is "weak" when confronted with a gun. So you create weak people by giving guns to people who shouldn't have them and then you try to solve the issue by giving the weak you just created also guns to create even more weak people? Do you know how ridiculous that sounds? Of course you don't.

If guns actually fixed a safety issue then you wouldn't need guns anymore because everyone feels safe. But how would anyone ever feel safe in a country where everyone else is armed to the teeth ready to murder you at any time. I know I wouldn't feel safe and that's why I would never set a food in that backwater place that pretends to care for the safety of its citizens but at the same time profits greatly by keeping them in constant fear. 

What you describe is America.  The constant fear that someone else is armed with a gun.  So if you go to a club, walmart, concert you are in constant fear some Ahole wants to take out as many people as they can.  Now you have to arm yourself based on that constant fear but now, we have these aholes wearing armor so that they can continue to kill longer since they also believe others are armed.  On top of that, if you are a person of color, definitely do not let the police believe you are armed because you can be killed just by moving, getting your registration or license or blowing your nose.  Simple moving violations can then be deadly.  All in the name of having the freedom of guns.  With everyone armed simple situations where maybe people would fight, get some bruises but still be alive turn into deadly confrontations where multiple people get injured or dead.  That is America today and it will only get worst.