But it wasn't.

We just went over this.

His original claim was that Alabama was one of the states which had a high likelihood of being hit much harder than expected by one of the largest hurricanes ever.

We just went over this.

We just went over this.

Literally.

We just went over this.

PS: We just went over this.

That $400 is the maximum they would pay for premiums as a couple. Obamacare premium amounts are limited to ~9.5% of income for somebody at this income level. As a result, the maximum they will pay with a $50k income is $4,750 per year (actually decreases further for a family of 3 and family of 4 etc).

You can absolutely get "better" insurance plans than a Silver plan (likely how your source is calculating it), but they definitely have decent insurance available for $400 combined.

"His original claim was that Alabama was one of the states which had a high likelihood of being hit much harder than expected by one of the largest hurricanes ever."

>I completely agree.

1. "It's doubling/tripling/quadrupling down because he was already corrected by the NWS, told if was old data to start with and continued to defend his initial lie."

>Are we sure Trump saw NWSBirmingham's tweet? The guy gets tons and tons of tweets, have we a guarantee Trump saw their tweet shortly after it was made?

2. "Was Alabama ever projected in Dorian's path?  Yes....3-4 frikkin days BEFORE Trump mentioned Alabama.  Why is this so hard for you (and Trump) to understand? It took a different path that no longer included Alabama DAYS before Trump made his Alabama claim."

>NOAA is telling me the information they and the NHC were giving to Trump at the time did very much include Alabama being at risk: "From Wednesday, August 28, through Monday, September 2, the information provided by NOAA and the National Hurricane Center to President Trump and the wider public demonstrated that tropical-storm-force winds from Hurricane Dorian could impact Alabama."

https://www.noaa.gov/news/statement-from-noaa

I now have to wonder how fast does NOAA/NHC's information gets to Trump.

3. "Really?  I guess all 50 states were possibly going to be hit then.  I mean, why claim with absolute certainty that Alaska won't be hit by Dorian then?  I guess Poland was could have been hit too, eh?  Maybe it would do a 180 and hit Morocco. Or perhaps it would fallow Magellan's path, swoop under South America and slam into the Philippines.  Only a sith deals in absolutes, right?"

>No, let's focus on the states that are closer. That would include Alabama, certainly not Alaska.

4. "No, nobody thought 95%.  Look at the damn maps themselves. Not a single one shows a 95% probability of even Tropical force winds...much less hurricane force winds."

>Again, the 95% figure did not sound like it was about wind strength but rather the suspected trajectory of the hurricane.

By the way, I gotta take umbrage with your declaration that I "will no longer be able to hide behind the disguise of skepticism as a veil for your dogmatic Trump sycophancy."

Let me let you in on a little secret:

So for you to call me a Trump sycophant I'm finding incredibly rich. That said, let's tone it down on the insults please. Thank you.

I wonder if Trump does all the work himself when he presents something to the people. You'd think with a job like that he would have teams that would put the majority of it together for him. I wonder how much time Trump has to go over all of the information in every presentation with a fine tooth comb? If mistakes are made by the team, should Trump take the blame for them? If Trump publically apologizes while pointing out it was the team who screwed up, would that be accepted by those who were upset?

I think we all know the negative reaction that would still follow and who the blame would go to regardless.

He has advisors and a cabinet but he's President so he probably has to approve most things that happen.

Consider it done...

Sure, but assuming the team had whatever info they felt they needed, even if Trump asked, 'are you sure all these area's will be impacted', the obvious answer from them would be, 'yes'. Should Trump trust his team or assume they are always wrong? Based on something like severe weather, it's not like he would have been able to clearly tell they might be wrong. While I'm not saying it wouldn't be Trumps fault in anyway, since like you said, he would have to approve it, the overwhelming majority would be because of the team, and so Trump should apologize and have all the blame publically put on him?

Like I said, even if he was honest and apologized yet pointed out it was due to mistakes the team made, the people who were upset would just blame Trump anyway, plus paint him in a negative light for trying to put the onus on the team, when in reality, it was the majority their fault.

This is quite possibly why he wouldn't bother apologizing, since he's getting blamed no matter what he does, so he might as well publically support his team instead of throwing them under the bus. I'm sure behind closed doors that team would have gotten an earful though to make sure it doesn't happen again. Yes it still looks bad on the administration, but not as bad as pointing out some people within it made some mistakes. Trump is a constant target anyway, so he might as well just take another punch to save face for that team.

When Trump make statements, who takes all the credit.  Have you ever seen Trump give credit to anyone but himself.  Well it's a two edged sword, If he takes all the credit when correct, he will also take all the blame when he is wrong.  It's his job to go over all the information because it's basically his neck on the line if its wrong.  If your expectation is that Trump would not take the time to read everything he is given and challenge anything that doesn't appear correct, we definitely have a different expectation of the POTUS office.

Things would be very different under different circumstances.

First of all, I don't really think anyone is under the impression that Trump really does much listening, or going over things with a fine-toothed comb. He seems to be either reading from a teleprompter or just kinda winging it. I think this is one of the things that makes a Trump Lie different that your typical "Politician Lie". A politician typically lies by knowing all the facts and manipulating them to say what they want them to say (through bias interpretations or misleading selection of evidence). A Trump Lie on the other hand involves him just saying something with no facts to back it up other than something he may or may not have heard somewhere over the past week or so.

Second, Trump never really admits error on his own part, so it would feel like scapegoating were he to simply blame it on someone else. A culture of accountability starts at the top, and if the people at the top are always desperately pointing fingers at others and never taking any blame, you haven't developed any accountability.

That said, if this were a normal presidency, I still believe the President should apologize, because it doesn't really matter where he got the information. He is the boss. If someone below him failed to do their job, that reflects on him as the boss and the environment he has created. He should ensure that he is backing himself up by people who he can trust to tell the truth and not simply Yes Men (another area where Trump is failing), and when a mistake is made under him, he should take credit as the head of that chain of command.

It's his team and his responsibility at the end of the day. It's not like random people are assigned to these positions he has to vet them and create a team of advisors and cabinet members. If they do a terrible job it reflects poorly on the person that gave them the job on the first place aka Trump.

I agree that sometimes Trump does get blamed for things he had no direct involvement in and that running a whole country is hard and members of your cabinet might deserve more blame for mishaps that happen but at the end of the day it's Trumps job and he knew what he was getting himself into when he decided to run for President.