If they are not public yet then my mistake. They are not my claims, the house intelligence committee has seen the applications without redactions or at least know what’s in them. They are the ones that have claimed yahoo news articles as evidence. Trump should declassify them, I thought that’s what happened recently I guess not. I’m just going by what I heard and the source is as credible as anything you can bring. If they were not lied to then they are crooked, period.

I personally dont like the man , but I believe 'Innocent until proven guilty' and until then he has the benefit of the doubt , I also dont like seeing this bs fight on twitter between his supporters and the left , if he is guilty he should be punished ,but this constant attacks by the media feels like sour grapes, especially when hes done something good.

Maybe. But as worthless as the republicans are I still trust them more than the democrats who are on an impeachment or die mission. Did the democrats deny that yahoo articles and the Harry Reid letter were evidence supplementing the Steele dossier? Why would I assume the republicans are lying then? The warrant was to spy on carter page yet where is the indictment on him? He’s not even in the equation. This whole thing is the sloppiest scandal in our history. The coverups are unprecedented. 

So what? I haven’t read it either but I know what’s in it. The only reason we even know about the steele dossier is because of the work by Nunez. Not the democrats, I have no reason to take their credibility seriously. 

Naw, you have absolutely no evidence on this point and it was already shone multiple times that there was other evidence besides that dossier for the FISA warrant for Carter page.  What you are basically saying is that you picked and choose the information you allow yourself to believe because GOD forbid it interrupt your current opinion.

First and foremost, the charge from the Republican or let's just say David Nunes was that the FBI did not disclose where the dossier came from which was proven to be a lie. This was one of the main points in Numes memo and it was also one of the main points he purposely lied about which pretty much put Him right there with Trump as lying for no real purpose.

As to the FISA warrant, it showed the associates used for the Dossier including Christopher Steele as the source and it also included the sources he used. Of course Numes knew this since everyone on the committee knew it but when you are telling lies, what you hope is by the time the truth comes out, no one cares anymore.

Also you seem to just dismiss that Carter Page was under investigation before he joined Trump team, so who are you to blame, the FBI for doing its job or Trump for hiring another person like Manafort and Papadopulos who were under investigation as a foreign agent.  Let's think about this clearly, Trump hires 3 people to his team, all have their little shady dealings whether during his campaign or in the pass where they are already marked.  Now you want us to believe its the FISA courts and the FBI fault that Trump hired these people.  I love it how Obama told Trump not to hire Michael Page because you know, he was also under investigation and Trump hired him anyway.  I know, its always everyone else fault instead of Trump.  I am sure Trump is as clean as a baby's diaper (oh, not sure if that's correct).

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/fbi-makes-public-fisa-warrant-former-trump-campaign-aide-carter-n893466

Lmao that’s rich, you have no evidence for anything you have said on the topic either. What’s the difference? I never said it was the only “evidence” but the fact that it is considered evidence at all is all I need to know. I know they don’t have anything else if they resorted to a fake dossier funded by the Clinton campaign. 

I dismissed carter page?! Where is the indictment? Where is carter page this evil Russian agent that spawned the most expensive investigation in our history lmao. Fuck outta here lmao! Manafort is on trial for tax fraud. Papadopalous is false statements. It’s squeeze tactics to get them to flip on trump. I’m not retarded, I know how it works. Obama the great told him and he didn’t listen! Yes the FBI used fake or insignifant evidence to secure a spy warrant. Yes the FISA court approves the warrant after the Steele dossier was added, it was denied before it was added. So like I said, if they knew they are crooked. If they didn’t they are incompetent. Nunez has more dignity than anyone else on the panel. Your attempt to discredit him is laughable.

Ahh the Strawman argument. I know I have told many lies during my lifetime but also when I have been caught telling a lie, the Trust level of the person I lied to changed.  Why would this be any different for the President.  He has lied multiple times, stretched the Truth or just made up his own facts.  Why would anyone ever Trust what he says just on face value.  If Trump gives you numbers without any source, you almost have to totally dismiss them out of hand because he has shone he will make up his own numbers.  If Trump says he heard from someone you have to toss that one out since he has shone multiple times he will just make up those stories.  If Trump says he has evidence on something you can pretty much toss that one out as well because he will never produce it.  So tell us how can anyone Trust the word of someone who serially lies and in a lot of instances for no other purpose besides its what they do.

So what exactly about the dossier makes it fake.  If the dossier continued funding was done by the Washington Free Beacon would that make it more viable.  Or is it that you dismiss the dossier because Trump name is involved with it. 

From reading about the Dossier, it was Steele that came to the FBI after gathering the information he dug up on Trump.  He stated after seeing these connections and interest Trump had with the Russian government he decided it best to bring this to the US government instead of getting paid a fat paycheck for his work. 

What you want us to believe is this respected ex - spy decided to help the FBI with their research because Hillary and the DNC picked up the funding of the Dossier.  A man who probably lives by his ability to do his job and keep his respected reputation instead of be partisan to a government party he doesn't have any affiliation to.  You also seem to forget that all of this information was made available to Trump and members of Congress before he was inaugurated. Hell, a lot of the information has been confirmed within the Dossier which means as a piece of information to submit during the FISA warrant it's perfectly fine.  Yes, not all of the claims have been verified but they do not have to be and never has for any investigation.  I guess it's just convenient to toss it aside because Trump name is in it.

At BOLDED:  Classic, Did I miss something or are we talking about an investigation and giving permission to do the investigation.  Lets stay on topic here.  An indictment was never the question, the question was obtaining a warrant to continue the investigation. 2 Very different things.  Let's be honest, once you know you are being investigated you probably lay low if you are guilty.  You act as if some of the most notorious criminals the US has ever had have never been investigated for years before a break happen, the slip up or someone talks.  Do not act like every investigation always turn up positive.  The question is never about if there was proof found or enough evidence to go to court, it was about getting a warrant to actually do it.  Since you have no clue on all the evidence used for 4 separate FISA warrant spanning years before Trump hired this guy, to call it fake because Trump is associated with it is showing your bias.

I didn´t read all of the comments, but still I read enough of those denial comments to have a good laugh. Trump might not be directly Putins puppet, but that doesn´t change the fact that Trump is weakening USA and EU, creating chaos and making pretty much everything that Russia wants to happen. This should be clear to anyone that has paid even the slightest attention to global politics. Putins plans are working and its a bit scary to see what happens in the future. Doesn´t look too good for USA or EU. Maybe China and others can balance the situation a little.

With all the fear of Russia and communism, that USA used to have, its strange that many completely deny that Russia influenced the presidential election. They did it, believing is not about left or right, its a fact that Russia did it, there is no way around that. How much did they influence, thats another thing. But still its weird that USA seem to be okay with Russia meddling in its elections :/

I dismiss it because it’s unproven bullshit. It was a giant spectacle, remember? The “leaked dossier, proof that a Trump is a Russian.” Wow so crazy. That media spectacle covering the fake dossier was the other evidence to secure a warrant. That’s how lazy they are in their resistance. Reids letter from information from Brennan, the CIA director that leaked shit to CNN and now works for them. His classified clearance was just revoked because he is on CNN spouting treason. That dude is a serious dick and I can’t believe he was in charge of the CIA. He’s the one that probably did the Papadopolous setup. He just looks the part.

So Steele creates a dossier, Brennan comey etc leaks it to the media, the media goes nuts and then the FBI uses it as evidence to secure a spy warrant. Comey knew it was fake when he told trump about it as an example of the bullshit that is out there, when trump said he didn’t want daily intel briefings. Comey and the FBI knew it was bullshit, yet it’s in a FISA application. How do you explain that? Paid opposition research was used as a tool to spy on the opposition party. They meddled in our election. On an unproven dossier sourced to the kremlin. What more proof do you need? Can you understand where I’m coming from at least?

I’m not for Trump, I’m for real justice not social justice. I like the fbi in general, they do good work. The little cabal behind this stunt are a joke, fake ass revolutionaries with no evidence. 

i don’t want you to believe anything, look up your own facts. We are having a conversation. You can disagree, I am wrong or mixed up sometimes, it’s whatever. What in the dossier was verified? Does it have to do with Russia or the election? You like to champion respected spies with ties to the kremlin and using unverified information as evidence to spy on an opposing party? Like the respected Russian professor that put Papadoplous in the squeeze position? Okay, but I disagree. I don’t ignore it, I think its bullshit.

You prove my point that Mueller is nothing but a mob lawyer. A mob lawyer with an unlimited budget and no boundaries, his actions are unconstitutional. Permission? To be the most powerful man in the country and demand meetings with a president? No he doesn’t have that permission. Trump is still his boss, half of this shit would probably be declassified already if Trumps lawyers didn’t warn him about possible obstruction charges. That’s how backwards this shit is, revealing the truth is obstruction of justice or a “threat to national security” that needs to be redacted. I’m for transparency bro, nothing more. Getting a warrant to do what dude... SPY. ON. THE. CAMPAIGN. OF an opposition party lol. Unacceptable, this isn’t some warrant to kick in some drug lords door. This is serious shit dude. Lines have been crossed and I want to see what he has before this continues. What’s wrong with that? 

i call it fake because I have seen no evidence. “Wait for the investigation” yeah I get it... what evidence started it though? That’s fair to show right? Did the FBI warn trump about possible Russian agents in his campaign? No, the put informants in there to set up meetings with Australian diplomats. My bias is the ability to have context I guess. 

You know nothing about Putin's actual plans or what "Russia" wants to happen, Just like you don't know the actual plans of Trump or even the head of government of your own country. Chances are you've simply been exposed to propaganda that successfully tried to spread those narratives.

Every country that has capabilities and incentives to influence foreign elections to their favor will try to do so. The US is actually the worst in this respect, no other country is so heavily trying to influence foreign elections than the US. It's been like that for decades, but it's not because the US is more evil than the other countries, it's just because they have an incentive and the means to do so.

Your country, my country, pretty much every country tries to somehow influence the US presidential elections. Because every country has an incentive to do so, for the US is (still) the most powerful country and their foreign policies have strong implications on almost all other countries. If you seriously object to that, you're simply naive.

The true reason behind all that "russia influenced the US election"-nonsense is simply that most european countries clearly preferred Clinton and tried to make her win, but miserably failed. The very same people who now so strongly try to spread the belief that russia rigged the election would ridicule the very same belief if things had turned out the other way: if Clinton had won and Trump had claimed that the election was rigged.