Next gen won't start until 2020 with next xbox and PlayStation consoles. I'm pretty sure Gears 5, Next Fable, Forza Motorsport will be launch title games.

The PS5 has not been announced, only vague comments about the future to investors, and we are over 1 1/2 years since the Pro launched.  It'll probably be out for almost 2 1/2-3 years before the PS5 is announced.  The X has been out for barely 7 months, yet they are already telling gamers to "please be excited" for their next gen HW.

And you acting superior... Will CGI have to call you again?

Yes X360 and PS3 were able to handle PORTS because devs done it. PS2 could run Fifa 14, and if dev wanted they could make Fifa 18 on PS2.

Still show you that the fact that console sold 10M isn't guarantee that they will keep supporting it (160M PS2 were dropped as well), it doesn't have to do only with similar architeture. MS talk about being generationless and X1X keeping support for next gen is same as X1 (unless you want MS to go back on their promise that X1 and X1X will have same games) cross-gen will go there as it have always been, but your premise is that they will keep getting on X1X even after crossgen is no more, for which you have no evidence.

But I sure love all your technical knowledge, which you have shown plenty on this thread, and the slider to downscale games will solve everything very easy and fine.

PS4Pro launched 4 years after PS4 and who are this everyone cheering for PS5 if in all threads on subject most Sony fans are saying 2020 at earliest? Besides MS is doing it 8m after releasing X1X not 48.

MS thought they had the best HW on X1 until they discovered they didn't. So why do you think MS will have the best one next gen unless they launch at least 12m after PS5?

People aren't talking about cross gen, but nextgen only, go see your buddy Azzanation trying to defend that X1 will keep getting games besides crossgen point.

Errr no I’m talking about this idea that devs won’t bother to port games to Xbone because of the smaller user base. It’s nonsense and it’s been proposed in this thread.

And what is this “buddy” stuff? Don’t play console warz.

Sure to say there won't be cross gen for a good 1-2 years is non-sense considering gaming history (sure it could change, but we have no indication for it).

Isn't Azz a vgc buddy? He is talking as if  not only cross gen, but like we will keep seeing X1 versions for a long time into next gen. Still like on the generationless, which would mean that it wouldn't really be  a port just the same game and disc working on X1,X1X and Scarlet.

Well, Xbox One X came out in late 2017 for $500, so if they launch "Scarlet" in late 2020 I can see a good improvement for $450, maybe even $400 if they are willing to take a loss.

Don, you seem very confused on the matter. Do you know what No generation Leaps mean?

Example - Those 5m X1X owners can still play next gen games however those games will be downscaled much like how PC games have settings that get lowered to play on older hardware.

Also devs wont need to accommodate for the X if its compatible with next gen meaning basically they just release next gen games and they quickly port it over to X with very little effort (eg DX12). Those 5m sales add onto the next gen sales of the X2 which will add more gamers availble to play the games in the ecosystem.

If you still dont understand, in other words the X sales will count as X2 sales. 

Thats if MS go that route, theres no comfirmation they will, however no gen leaps and MS releasing a X2 upgrade sounds more likely to me.

Preformance isnt the issue with the X, it will be all about the compatibility, X2 will most likely use UWP, DX12 and X86 which will mean X1 and X2 can talk the same language.

Whats CGI got to do with our debate? Haha *scratches head*

My only concern is Microsoft has been pricing their consoles on the expensive end lately. They launched the One at $500 in 2013 and again with the X at $500 last year. If they keep this up for next gen, Sony will again price them out of competition by possibly undercutting them by $100 or more.

It doesn’t matter what they have under the hood, ppl will naturally go for the cheaper product.

Here’s hoping Microsoft prices the scarlet at a reasonable price point this time.

Considering Sony has a better bargaining chip with a PS4 that will have sold 100M+, they will definitely be able to undercut them, even if they have the same specs.  I have seen a report that Sony is working closely with AMD on the Navi tech, and several reports that they had a programmer dedicated to improving Ryzen support.  I think AMD is very grateful for the money the PS4 has brought them, so I think their relationship with Sony is going to be very strong going forward.

The base Xbox one will still likely be able to play next-gen games, but in a significantly reduced manner.
It happened with the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3.

And it happened in the console generation prior to that.

Jaguar is missing allot of newer features like... AVX2, FMA3, BMI2, SHA.
On the GPU front... The Xbox One X is missing features like Primitive Shaders, Draw Stream Binning Rasterizer, Rapid Packed Math and various Direct X 12.1 features like Conservative Rasterization Tier 1 and Rasterizer Ordered Views.

It's not just a simple case of "down porting". - There is more to it when the game is built for more advanced technology from the outset.

From the wording Microsoft has put forth thus far... The Xbox One X is very much a current generation console, not a next generation console, the fact it is has an antiquated array of Jaguar cores is a testament to that very fact, let alone only mid-range GPU performance and only 12GB of total Ram.

No evidence for that at this stage I am afraid.

Performance is very much an issue, those Jaguar cores are limiting.
Having only 12GB of Ram operating at only 326GB/s of bandwidth is not next-gen. (Let alone the issue that the crossbar brings into due to the mis-match of ROPS to Memory channels.)

 Not exactly.
Just because hardware leverages the same ISA, doesn't mean compatibility is a guarantee.

Well. The Xbox One X was billed as a premium console, it's higher price was justified.