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Chazore said:
DonFerrari said:

Have I suggested they have to? But considering the first half of the year is quieter, they certainly could give as much room for their title to have attention.

And on your talk about winning, they really have lost the 3 generations they have involved so far... will they win the next? Who knows, but I wouldn't bet.

I wouldn't say their situation were similar to MS, but sure PS3 games and some of X1 games haven't been met with great sales.

MS didn't have the CPU issue, while Sony did, that's one difference between the two.

You didn't specifically say, but the way you had written the previous post made it sound as if MS is doomed with that release no matter what. This is why I believe it's better to say "they are doomed indefinitely" if the suggestion of releasing near competition's 1st party or third party competition is supposedly going to end in failure. 

Them releasing within the quiet period would benefit them, rather than releasing during a busy and unstable period, that could easily have the title drowned out completely. 

They didn't exactly lose the previous gen outright, certainly nowhere near the level they have lost this gen. It would be nice if they win the next, and the one after, because then we will see a paradigm shift. 

What about the CPU?

You assumed to much and that is why you got it wrong. Most of Sony launches are outside of holidays exactly to grant them more limelight and improve sales. So it isn't preposterous to say that MS could also look for the best possible time to release their game to grant more attention as well. And considering Sony 1st party launches this gen it's fair to consider that not launching close would benefit MS.

Until MS really shows commitment to deserve a Victory I don't see anything nice about they winning, because the premature release with faulty HW on X360 combined with early killing of og Xbox isn't something that deserves a victory, their strategy with X1 also doesn't, their lack of 1st parties also doesn't. And the original Xbox would have a hard time winning considering all PS2 done and how much of a headstart it had. So MS really need to do a lot with their 4th console to really say it would be nice for them to win the next 2 gens.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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DonFerrari said:

What about the CPU?

You assumed to much and that is why you got it wrong. Most of Sony launches are outside of holidays exactly to grant them more limelight and improve sales. So it isn't preposterous to say that MS could also look for the best possible time to release their game to grant more attention as well. And considering Sony 1st party launches this gen it's fair to consider that not launching close would benefit MS.

Until MS really shows commitment to deserve a Victory I don't see anything nice about they winning, because the premature release with faulty HW on X360 combined with early killing of og Xbox isn't something that deserves a victory, their strategy with X1 also doesn't, their lack of 1st parties also doesn't. And the original Xbox would have a hard time winning considering all PS2 done and how much of a headstart it had. So MS really need to do a lot with their 4th console to really say it would be nice for them to win the next 2 gens.

You know that Sony had issues with devs using their Cell CPU last gen. MS didn't have that exact same issue with the 360.

I didn't really assume too much. You were basically hinting that their game would be doomed if it went alongside a Sony 1st party, and we know how clogged third party release shcedules get, so that goes without saying.

MS are looking for their best possible point in time to release their games. it just so happens that it's release schedule is close to Sony's. That doesn't mean MS has to up and go book another month, like it's some sort of pre-booked holiday plan.

MS is still in the game. Look at Sega's "commitment". They basically bailed at the last attempt with the Dreamcast. You say MS has lost all 3 gens it has been in, yet they haven't thrown in the towel like Sega once had. 

MS can win in their own way, and people not interested in what they have to sell would still call it a "non win" or "not deserved". We see this all the time in almost anything that has competition involved.

 

MS could do a lot with their next console, and they can still be called "inferior". It's never going to change the minds of those who were never interested in it. I know for sure it'll never change mine, just like how Sony hasn't changed my mind from the "get a second job". People that are interested in the next Xbox will buy the next Xbox, and those that aren't interested won't buy it. it's that simple. 

That said, I would welcome a new "leader", a new change of pace to the so called status quo. I wouldn't even mind if Nintendo took next gen by storm. 



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Chazore said:
DonFerrari said:

What about the CPU?

You assumed to much and that is why you got it wrong. Most of Sony launches are outside of holidays exactly to grant them more limelight and improve sales. So it isn't preposterous to say that MS could also look for the best possible time to release their game to grant more attention as well. And considering Sony 1st party launches this gen it's fair to consider that not launching close would benefit MS.

Until MS really shows commitment to deserve a Victory I don't see anything nice about they winning, because the premature release with faulty HW on X360 combined with early killing of og Xbox isn't something that deserves a victory, their strategy with X1 also doesn't, their lack of 1st parties also doesn't. And the original Xbox would have a hard time winning considering all PS2 done and how much of a headstart it had. So MS really need to do a lot with their 4th console to really say it would be nice for them to win the next 2 gens.

You know that Sony had issues with devs using their Cell CPU last gen. MS didn't have that exact same issue with the 360.

I didn't really assume too much. You were basically hinting that their game would be doomed if it went alongside a Sony 1st party, and we know how clogged third party release shcedules get, so that goes without saying.

MS are looking for their best possible point in time to release their games. it just so happens that it's release schedule is close to Sony's. That doesn't mean MS has to up and go book another month, like it's some sort of pre-booked holiday plan.

MS is still in the game. Look at Sega's "commitment". They basically bailed at the last attempt with the Dreamcast. You say MS has lost all 3 gens it has been in, yet they haven't thrown in the towel like Sega once had. 

MS can win in their own way, and people not interested in what they have to sell would still call it a "non win" or "not deserved". We see this all the time in almost anything that has competition involved.

MS could do a lot with their next console, and they can still be called "inferior". It's never going to change the minds of those who were never interested in it. I know for sure it'll never change mine, just like how Sony hasn't changed my mind from the "get a second job". People that are interested in the next Xbox will buy the next Xbox, and those that aren't interested won't buy it. it's that simple. 

That said, I would welcome a new "leader", a new change of pace to the so called status quo. I wouldn't even mind if Nintendo took next gen by storm. 

Yes I know Cell gave devs problems, I don't know that it have to do with the topic.

Not doomed, that would depend on the game itself, but it's better to be the biggest release of the month than one among many. And 3rd parties don't do heavy on releases on Q1, so they could avoid any big competition. But since they didn't give a date, just a month, perhaps it will be in the begining of the month and have almost 3 weeks to shine.

Sony have moved release date in the past to avoid competition, so not sure why MS wouldn't.

I haven't said MS can't win or that they would forfeit, so I have no idea what Sega have to do with it. I said I don't see a reason to cheer for their victory or to project a win in next gen. Sure MS can end up selling more and people still doesn't like it, but they haven't yet.

Most people aren't you, you can see from Xbox sales itself, going from 35 to 90+ and back to 35M (possibly ending in 50M) this clearly shows that people gave MS a chance when they liked their offer.

The problem with your new leader is that you are saying you want it for the sake of it and possibly because you don't like Sony, not because they would be doing something that would really improve the landscape.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

So, MS is going into E3 with NO games for the rest of 2018 bar Ori 2. Beyond that? Just Crackdown 3.
I'm trying to imagine Sony or Nintendo just RUNNING OUT of games and I can't tbh



How long ago was this game announced?



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DonFerrari said:

Yes I know Cell gave devs problems, I don't know that it have to do with the topic.

Not doomed, that would depend on the game itself, but it's better to be the biggest release of the month than one among many. And 3rd parties don't do heavy on releases on Q1, so they could avoid any big competition. But since they didn't give a date, just a month, perhaps it will be in the begining of the month and have almost 3 weeks to shine.

Sony have moved release date in the past to avoid competition, so not sure why MS wouldn't.

I haven't said MS can't win or that they would forfeit, so I have no idea what Sega have to do with it. I said I don't see a reason to cheer for their victory or to project a win in next gen. Sure MS can end up selling more and people still doesn't like it, but they haven't yet.

Most people aren't you, you can see from Xbox sales itself, going from 35 to 90+ and back to 35M (possibly ending in 50M) this clearly shows that people gave MS a chance when they liked their offer.

The problem with your new leader is that you are saying you want it for the sake of it and possibly because you don't like Sony, not because they would be doing something that would really improve the landscape.

Because last gen that was Sony's big issue. This gen MS has a massive image issue.

We know what the game is, it's Crackdown. If it was a brand new never before done IP, then that would remain up in the air. Tbh there are more releases in the coming  months during Summer, Winter and sometimes certain spring times. We already know Anthem is going to be coming out around the same time, so that becomes another big release, if not a multiplat one.

Tbh it'll be Anthem that seeks to compete, as it'll be covering 3 systems, while the other two cover one each. 

Well so far it doesn't seem like either of them are moving, even after the fact that EA just revealed their hand. Delays could very well happen, it's more or less becoming a thing these days in the AAA space.

No I meant that Sega threw in the towel, despite trying so little with the Dreamcast, but MS hasn't shown signs of throwing in the towel (Despite some thinking that half their focus on PC is them "leaving", even though they clearly aren't trying hard enough in that space). 

Most people aren't me or you either. 

My new "leader"?. What I want is someone else to take the lead, rather than the one that always wins due to other's incompetence and mistakes. I don't like Sony or MS, so it's definitely not one over the other.  Despite owning a Switch, I'm not gaga for Nintendo either. I'm just there for AC, Zelda and Pokemon.

MS could do something that improves the landscape though, and there will be some folk out there that claim they aren't doing anything.



Step right up come on in, feel the buzz in your veins, I'm like an chemical electrical right into your brain and I'm the one who killed the Radio, soon you'll all see

So pay up motherfuckers you belong to "V"

Chazore said:
DonFerrari said:

Yes I know Cell gave devs problems, I don't know that it have to do with the topic.

Not doomed, that would depend on the game itself, but it's better to be the biggest release of the month than one among many. And 3rd parties don't do heavy on releases on Q1, so they could avoid any big competition. But since they didn't give a date, just a month, perhaps it will be in the begining of the month and have almost 3 weeks to shine.

Sony have moved release date in the past to avoid competition, so not sure why MS wouldn't.

I haven't said MS can't win or that they would forfeit, so I have no idea what Sega have to do with it. I said I don't see a reason to cheer for their victory or to project a win in next gen. Sure MS can end up selling more and people still doesn't like it, but they haven't yet.

Most people aren't you, you can see from Xbox sales itself, going from 35 to 90+ and back to 35M (possibly ending in 50M) this clearly shows that people gave MS a chance when they liked their offer.

The problem with your new leader is that you are saying you want it for the sake of it and possibly because you don't like Sony, not because they would be doing something that would really improve the landscape.

Because last gen that was Sony's big issue. This gen MS has a massive image issue.

We know what the game is, it's Crackdown. If it was a brand new never before done IP, then that would remain up in the air. Tbh there are more releases in the coming  months during Summer, Winter and sometimes certain spring times. We already know Anthem is going to be coming out around the same time, so that becomes another big release, if not a multiplat one.

Tbh it'll be Anthem that seeks to compete, as it'll be covering 3 systems, while the other two cover one each. 

Well so far it doesn't seem like either of them are moving, even after the fact that EA just revealed their hand. Delays could very well happen, it's more or less becoming a thing these days in the AAA space.

No I meant that Sega threw in the towel, despite trying so little with the Dreamcast, but MS hasn't shown signs of throwing in the towel (Despite some thinking that half their focus on PC is them "leaving", even though they clearly aren't trying hard enough in that space). 

Most people aren't me or you either. 

My new "leader"?. What I want is someone else to take the lead, rather than the one that always wins due to other's incompetence and mistakes. I don't like Sony or MS, so it's definitely not one over the other.  Despite owning a Switch, I'm not gaga for Nintendo either. I'm just there for AC, Zelda and Pokemon.

MS could do something that improves the landscape though, and there will be some folk out there that claim they aren't doing anything.

Having the CPU problem wasn't what caused PS3 to lose sales, and considering MS have solved most of the initial problems in couple of months it's very hard to say that was the cause for their low sales this gen or that they not having that will grant them a good next gen.

Knowing what the game is doesn't make having more time by itself on the market something that won't help sales.

Sega throwed the towel because they were already near bankrupt, if MS was the size and financial of Sega they would have left the gaming space during X360 RROD issue. If you think MS not tryinh hard enough in PC is a show they aren't going PC them what that tells about console space were they have put very little effort this gen?

Yes most people are neither of us, this means most will chose their console based on what it offers, and that is why Sony have won against MS all 3 gens they were one against other. The only place Xbox ever had a chance was USA+UK.

Yes the old excuse that all the 4 wins of Sony (3 as overall gen leader and one against MS, or you can call technical 3 way tie) is because all others are incompetents...

MS sure could... and those some folks would perhaps be just like you that think Sony basically did nothing except win because others sucked.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Terry Crews can make just about anything better. Love the guy's charisma.