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I'm tired of this overemphasis on diversity spilling into our entertainment.

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VGPolyglot said:
Azuren said:

Montana doesn't have that many black people. Representing that many black people in the game is not indicative of the known population of Montana. It's an example of diversity for diversity's sake.

Again, it's not a real-life version of Montana, it's a fictional version of it with creative liberties taken, they're not going for complete accuracy.

It's a fictional county in the real Montana. Representing Montana in any way as being even 10% black is a lie, and is thus diversity for diversity's sake.



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I have a question for those of you decrying diversity because it unbalances the realism. If a cast were imbalanced in the other direction, such as too many white people in a setting that would normally be mixed, would you complain just as strongly about the lack of realism?

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Azuren said:
VGPolyglot said:

Again, it's not a real-life version of Montana, it's a fictional version of it with creative liberties taken, they're not going for complete accuracy.

It's a fictional county in the real Montana. Representing Montana in any way as being even 10% black is a lie, and is thus diversity for diversity's sake.

And how does having a higher proportion of blacks in the game than Montana diminish the enjoyment of the game?



SpokenTruth said:
I have a question for those of you decrying diversity because it unbalances the realism. If a cast were imbalanced in the other direct, as too many white people in a setting that would be mixed, would you complain just as strongly about the lack of realism?

Good question :D



SpokenTruth said:
I have a question for those of you decrying diversity because it unbalances the realism. If a cast were imbalanced in the other direct, as too many white people in a setting that would be mixed, would you complain just as strongly about the lack of realism?

I answered above, I don't mind even if the representation is unreal because it have more Black, Hispanic, Oriental, Arabic, etc than the population at the place. I took problem when there were a review complaining about lack of diversity on a medieval german city because one history analyst said there was a chance to have a black person there. I also take problem if anyone decides to change gender, ethnicity or anything of established character (even whitewashing) even though I understand both being made because of representation or publicity to generate more sales.

VGPolyglot said:
Azuren said:

It's a fictional county in the real Montana. Representing Montana in any way as being even 10% black is a lie, and is thus diversity for diversity's sake.

And how does having a higher proportion of blacks in the game than Montana diminish the enjoyment of the game?

Doesn't diminish at all. But he is just saying that forced diversity bothers him as a concept.



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DonFerrari said:
VGPolyglot said:

And how does having a higher proportion of blacks in the game than Montana diminish the enjoyment of the game?

Doesn't diminish at all. But he is just saying that forced diversity bothers him as a concept.

It seems the issue is more that white people aren't having as much of a monopoly as they used to.



VGPolyglot said:
DonFerrari said:

Doesn't diminish at all. But he is just saying that forced diversity bothers him as a concept.

It seems the issue is more that white people aren't having as much of a monopoly as they used to.

That is an assumption, but from OP perhaps that bothers him even if he isn't saying it.

I'm considered white although heritage is 3/4 black and never bothered with representation, as I said I bother more with SJW and forcing devs to obey their agenda... pandering bother me only when they change chars for it, now if someone made a movie in USA with only black people I wouldn't care at all (even if all movies in the year were like that). I love a lot of "black only" series like Fresh Prince, My wife and Kids and Everybody Hates Chris (never seem complains about lack of diversity there and I don't bother if they don't represent demographics with precision). I only care when chars are retconned or ignored for pandering.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

DonFerrari said:
VGPolyglot said:

It seems the issue is more that white people aren't having as much of a monopoly as they used to.

That is an assumption, but from OP perhaps that bothers him even if he isn't saying it.

I'm considered white although heritage is 3/4 black and never bothered with representation, as I said I bother more with SJW and forcing devs to obey their agenda... pandering bother me only when they change chars for it, now if someone made a movie in USA with only black people I wouldn't care at all (even if all movies in the year were like that). I love a lot of "black only" series like Fresh Prince, My wife and Kids and Everybody Hates Chris (never seem complains about lack of diversity there and I don't bother if they don't represent demographics with precision). I only care when chars are retconned or ignored for pandering.

SJWs don't "force" devs to obey their agenda, it's entirely the publishers'/devs' decision on whether or not they are going to go that route.



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FentonCrackshell said:
So which way can diversity be put into something for it not be seen as "forced"? Because whenever even something isn't lead by a SWM its always seem as pushing something "down our throats". I remember a hospital show starring Jada Pinkett Smith some years ago that featured a black female Nurse lead, her Indian best friend, and white male doctor. This is probably a great many hospitals with a staff like this but people called it "forced diversity". It's pretty much whenever a cast isn't 90% white with a token minority that this sort of complaint occurs. I really don't GAF if there's diversity or not. If it's good I'll watch it. But many of you have to admit you all steer clear of vehicles helmed by a mostly minority cast. It's why there's Asian/Black/Indian Cinema and no "White Cinema". White is seen as the norm and therefore needs no category. And if seeing "forced diversity" makes you less accepting of diversity then you were never doing to accept it in the first place.

But look, if it makes you softy non-minorities feel good please note that most of us are all FOS as you are. We cry about made up sh!t like "cultural appropriation". The folks who always point fingers and whine about this are the ones who have no issue with "forced diversity" (AKA real-life BTW). And the people who decry mentions of cultural appropriation will argue against more than 3 minorities in a cast of characters. Anyway, cultural appropriation is often mentioned by the same folks who want us to accepts each other's cultures and differences. But it seems this doesn't extend to white people. This is why Nicki Minaj, Beyoncé, etc. can wear blonde hair weave with no consequence but Kylie Jenner is lambasted for braiding her hair. It's why a white teenage girl is blasted for wearing an Asian dress to prom but Taraji P. Hensen (black woman) was cheered for wearing the same dress. It's all such bullsh!t! Things like this are why I've become so misanthropic. People are disgusting and find the most ridiculous things to use as division.

And I see a poster on here talking about how Horizon forced them to play as a woman and didn't give them a choice. GTFOH with that bullsh!t! What you wanna do is play as a SWM a la Nathan Drake and seeing the woman as the hero made you uncomfortable. Similar to how Chloe and Nadine as mains in Uncharted was met with "you expect us to believe 2 women can overpower an army" but SWM Nathan Drake did so for over a decade with nary an eye-roll. It's why I've had the argument that Zazie Beets' Domino has an impractical Afro and it's dumb because all bad guys have to do is grab her by her hair. As if they can't also grab Thor and Widow by the hair. People are absolutely full of steaming piles of sh!t! But feel free to say the same to me. Good day!

 

Look, captain no reading, all you have to do to fix your diversity problem is to NOT CHANGE EXISTING STORIES AND CHARACTERS just to fulfill your agenda. You have every right to make NEW STORIES AND NEW CHARACTERS. Just don't fucking change the ones we already like and we are already invested in. It's been mentioned in this thread so many times already. There's no problem with playing female or black characters. BUT DONT FORCE THEM INTO CHARACTERS THAT ARENT LIKE THAT. 

 

IF A CHARACTER WAS WRITTEN WHITE, THEN HES WHITE. IF HES STRAIGHT, HES STRAIGHT. IF HES A MAN, HES A MAN.

 

Just like you don't want people to mess with black, Asian, and female characters, it shouldn't be done to any characters at all. When Scarlett Johansson was cast in ghost in the shell, it was called whitewashing. I agreed and I thought it was a bad decision. But it's also a bad decision to turn the human torch black! It's also a bad decision to turn the Ghostbusters cast totally female without even a nod to the originals!

 

READ!

lol "captain no reading". That's fun. Anyway, what's odd is that I've read the posts and you're probably the one I most agree with. Because I agree that creating new characters is the way to go. However, most people don't feel this way and just don't like diversity in general. Look at posters talking about how Star Wars is bad because of diversity. As if the cast being white is what made it good in the first place. Or they'd like TLJ more if Rey were white male and Fin weren't black. Such nonsense! What does dive either have to do with the poor fan reception of TLJ?

No matter what there will always be negative reception to diversity. Nadine Ross was a new character in Uncharted and as soon as she was revealed people started griping about a black character. Even though her race plays no part in her story whatsoever. Just the fact that she's black set people off. So yeah, new character, new story, same bullsh!t. 

 

Horizon: Zero Dawn gave us a female lead who isn't a man-hating feminist and p pole still whined. And people went nuts over the fact that game is full of diverse characters. All new characters, with none of them playing that us vs. them crap. The game even explains why there's such diversity in the world and people still called it forced. Fact is people will always have these notions when they feel their way of life is being threatened. 99% of gaming and film are lead by SWM and seeing a slight change pisses those people off. And I don't need the hero to look like me for me to root for him/her. Most of my favorite characters, actors, and athletes are white. But seeing others play the role some Ike's is refreshing. Except for black Johnny Storm. That was beyond idiotic!



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Honestly all this this complaining about diversity in entertainment is getting just as annoying as the SJW's whining about the lack of diversity.