reviniente said:
DialgaMarine said:
How so? It’s a known fact that a console’s quality is based primarily off of it’s exclusive software, so without exclusives, the console’s quality is greatly reduced. To say a console is the best if you ignore a lack of exclusives is no different than saying some restaurant’s hamburger is the best if you ignore it’s lack of a beef patty. It makes no sense to say that. A console without exclusives is nothing more than an underpowered PC with even less features. That’s not fanboy agenda, that’s just logic.
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If the Xbox One had no exclusives, you would have a point. But alas, it does. Then you have all those PS4 players that chose GTAV over many exclusives. What are the odds RDR2 will outsell GoW on PS4? Guess they would rather have the hot-dog over the hamburger, instead. Your logic needs work.
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Your logic is the one that needs work... because RDR2 and GoW will sell great on PS4, while RDR2 will sell great on X1 (but less than PS4) with SoT not doing anywhere near GoW sales.
That is the point people are saying, on PS4 you get what X1 has plus the exclusives. You simply get more.
The_Liquid_Laser said:
DonFerrari said:
And we were both wrong. I got the 40-60 from vgc itself claimed several times and was wrong, you claimed they cost the same and pemalite and the other PC gamer showed that you were wrong on same price.
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Actually I am still waiting for someone to show me one example from the past 30 days. I somewhat expect there to be an example out there, since I'm not saying they are the same price 100% of the time. I just find it funny that people are willing to argue so much while providing zero authentic evidence.
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You are making it every time more restrictive right? You next you are going to ask for an example of this week? Pemalite already gave you some examples.
hudsoniscool said:
flashfire926 said: I would be hard-pressed to say I disagree. -Backwards compatibility across two gens (500 games and counting) -Xbox Game Pass ($10 a month for a good library of 150+ games) -Returns on digital purchases -free cloud saves -better controller layout and build quality -4k blu-ray -whisper quiet in operation -a much better executed mid-gen upgrade -more reliable online network But all this pales in comparison when you dont have exclusives. |
I’ll take those features any day. Would I love to play uncharted 4, horizon, last of us, and god of war. Of course I would but even if I did own a ps4 90% of my purchases would be muliplat games still so the question that I ask myself is. Do I want all those features + the best looking and playing version of muliplats or do I want to have those extra 10% of games. For me the choice is Xbox. I think people should respect that as I respect other people’s right to choose first party over all that.
Ps my favorite game series of all time is halo so that helps sway me towards Xbox from the get go.
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And when X1X didn't exist and PS4 (and after PS4Pro) had the best version of MP, and you didn't even had many X1 exclusives, you choose X1 and that is because of as you said Halo... which just again validate the claim that exclusives matters. A single Halo for you trumps all the exclusives you listed for PS4 and that is fine.
flashfire926 said:
hudsoniscool said:
I’ll take those features any day. Would I love to play uncharted 4, horizon, last of us, and god of war. Of course I would but even if I did own a ps4 90% of my purchases would be muliplat games still so the question that I ask myself is. Do I want all those features + the best looking and playing version of muliplats or do I want to have those extra 10% of games. For me the choice is Xbox. I think people should respect that as I respect other people’s right to choose first party over all that.
Ps my favorite game series of all time is halo so that helps sway me towards Xbox from the get go.
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Between me and you, my first choice is Xbox too. Mainly because of the Forza Series. and being able to carry over most of my 360 library (to the point where my 360 is almost useless now). Game Pass is just a great added bonus.
As for the last statement I made, I was talking about about the general consensus and not myself.
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So it would be just Forza series, since BC was something added mid gen.
Pemalite said:
last92 said:
Things are changing rapidly, though. I noticed a great effort by Sony and MS in the last few years when it comes to sales on their digital stores. Plus, PS plus and GwG are overall incredibly good value for money.
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Microsoft and Sony are only discounting a minimal amount of games though. Steam discounts literally thousands of titles at any one time, that is the big difference here.
Sony and Microsoft have certainly made some bold improvements and good for them, but they still don't hold a candle to Steam.
last92 said:
Also, there are many ways to pay less than the full price for a game at launch on consoles.
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I never claimed anything to the contrary.
last92 said:
Most retail stores will offer a discount if you preorder it, and you can also trade in old games (that's how it works in my country at least), so...I personally think pc and consoles are not so far as far as game pricing is concerned. They're just different. Of course, pc is still more convenient because it's all digital, whereas you need to do a little effort to grab the best deal on console by checking several retail stores.
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You can get pre-order discounts and bonuses at retail stores as well for PC games, although physical PC sales is certainly a minority in this day and age.
PC has always had the advantage of lower software prices, but higher initial hardware prices.
LudicrousSpeed said:
But if you’re talking about sales or specials you can always find those for consoles as well.
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Sometimes, but not always. I am a PC gamer with a massive library. And I do have a stupidly massive console game collection, so I am well versed on the costings of the media.
There is literally always a sale on somewhere for PC games, the same doesn't always hold true for Console though, especially on new release/pre-orders.
LudicrousSpeed said:
He said they’re $40 and $60 though, factually, meaning MSRP. That’s incorrect. Hell, I can get any game new day one for $48 at Best Buy, doesn’t change that the game released at $60.
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Well. Best Buy doesn't exist here... And he doesn't live in the USA either thus currency may be different.
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In Brazil it is common for PC games to launch about 140-160 (local currency) versus console at 250... Sony published are 200 which is a plus on console gaming.
Manlytears said:
flashfire926 said: I would be hard-pressed to say I disagree. -Backwards compatibility across two gens (500 games and counting) -Xbox Game Pass ($10 a month for a good library of 150+ games) -Returns on digital purchases -free cloud saves -better controller layout and build quality -4k blu-ray -whisper quiet in operation -a much better executed mid-gen upgrade -more reliable online network But all this pales in comparison when you dont have exclusives. |
1 - are you talking about refunds? Cause you can do this on playstation easy, just make a call.
2 - alson can do this on playstation, whit psplus.
3 - talking about pro-controller? If yes, than i have to agree, that thing is expensive, but sure is another level, but... about the normal controller, it's a metter of opinion, but i find the DS4 miles better than the x1 standard controller...
4 - for real... do you have a ps4? Mine is quiet, just can't hear any sound while i'm playing.
5- $100 more expensive...
6- do you have some data? Something from the last 2 years? I see lots of people saying live is better, but is see no data.
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3 - And if you want no-standard control you can buy nyko and others.
4 - yep a lot of consoles and electronics get a lot of dirt on the vents and people forget to clean.
flashfire926 said:
Manlytears said:
1 - are you talking about refunds? Cause you can do this on playstation easy, just make a call.
2 - alson can do this on playstation, whit psplus.
3 - talking about pro-controller? If yes, than i have to agree, that thing is expensive, but sure is another level, but... about the normal controller, it's a metter of opinion, but i find the DS4 miles better than the x1 standard controller...
4 - for real... do you have a ps4? Mine is quiet, just can't hear any sound while i'm playing.
5- $100 more expensive...
6- do you have some data? Something from the last 2 years? I see lots of people saying live is better, but is see no data.
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1: Really? Can you link me to their policy please.
2: yeah, but on Xbox you don't have to pay for live to get cloud saves. Hence why I said "free".
3: okay fine, this one is more a matter of opinion, I'll give you that (although it's undeniable that analog stick placement on Xbox is better for everything that isn't a fighter or 2d platformer)
4: ps4 fans vary a lot, whereas Xbox is way more consistent. My friend has a jet engine variant
5: so what if it's a 100 bucks more? It's a high end console for enthusiasts. This isn't the base variant.
6: live is down way less often than ps2 is. I'll get back to you once I've gathered the evidence.
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2 - Do you really want to see all that MS have locked behind Gold over the years?
3 - It's totally deniable, a lot of users will say they had no issues and prefer PS layout while others will prefer X1.
5 - And where were you before the midgen update? Where you defending PS4 as the strongest and saying one should own it?
6 - Yes, I'm pretty sure PS2 network is down a lot.