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DonFerrari said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:

I disagree. Critics aren't here to tell fanboys what they want to hear; they're here to inform. A well-written and informative review -- positive or negative -- will tell you if the game is right for you.

Critics aren't also to evaluate something they don't like by standard as well... like someone that doesn't like racers evaluating GT or FM, doesn't like FPS analyzing CoD, etc... Fair criticism is completely different than harsh score due to different taste.

Sorry, I don't understand what you wrote.



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DonFerrari said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:

I disagree. Critics aren't here to tell fanboys what they want to hear; they're here to inform. A well-written and informative review -- positive or negative -- will tell you if the game is right for you.

Critics aren't also to evaluate something they don't like by standard as well... like someone that doesn't like racers evaluating GT or FM, doesn't like FPS analyzing CoD, etc... Fair criticism is completely different than harsh score due to different taste.

It serves a purpose, someone who doesn't typically like fps games can look at review by someone who they know also usually dislikes fps games. If that reviewer gives it a good score then they know that even though they usually don't like that genre, they may still like this particular game.

An issue only really arises when combining all opinions into one, as with metacritic. While a review by someone who usually dislikes the genre does have a place, it's place isn't to be an outlier for an aggregate score.



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Awe, I saw immersive in the title and was about to go on one hell of an epic VR rant. Pity, I'm bored at the moment, could have done with a good old VR rant. Great to hear, Honestly was not expecting to get so excited over this as I've a hard time playing 2d games that aren't strategy heavy, I've even booted up three games now, Nioh, BB and Dark souls three just to make sure I can get into this game and I'm just aching to get into it. GoW is a pussy ready to be filled, all 37 gig of it.



 

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Veknoid_Outcast said:
DonFerrari said:

Critics aren't also to evaluate something they don't like by standard as well... like someone that doesn't like racers evaluating GT or FM, doesn't like FPS analyzing CoD, etc... Fair criticism is completely different than harsh score due to different taste.

Sorry, I don't understand what you wrote.

Someone who hates the genre isn't doing a objective analysis of that game with an accurate score for someone who enjoys the genre. And several or perhaps all of his criticisms would fall on the critics of the genre not the game or how he wanted the game to do and not if the game do what it stand to do.

Barkley said:
DonFerrari said:

Critics aren't also to evaluate something they don't like by standard as well... like someone that doesn't like racers evaluating GT or FM, doesn't like FPS analyzing CoD, etc... Fair criticism is completely different than harsh score due to different taste.

It serves a purpose, someone who doesn't typically like fps games can look at review by someone who they know also usually dislikes fps games. If that reviewer gives it a good score then they know that even though they usually don't like that genre, they may still like this particular game.

An issue only really arises when combining all opinions into one, as with metacritic. While a review by someone who usually dislikes the genre does have a place, it's place isn't to be an outlier for an aggregate score.

If I don't like a specific type of game I won't even look for reviews of that game, there is already a lot of games on genres I like to play. We are talking about professional reviews and publications, they have the option to chose someone that understand the genre instead of someone who hates it. This isn't someone on youtube saying his individual preferences.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

DonFerrari said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:

Sorry, I don't understand what you wrote.

Someone who hates the genre isn't doing a objective analysis of that game with an accurate score for someone who enjoys the genre. And several or perhaps all of his criticisms would fall on the critics of the genre not the game or how he wanted the game to do and not if the game do what it stand to do.

Barkley said:

It serves a purpose, someone who doesn't typically like fps games can look at review by someone who they know also usually dislikes fps games. If that reviewer gives it a good score then they know that even though they usually don't like that genre, they may still like this particular game.

An issue only really arises when combining all opinions into one, as with metacritic. While a review by someone who usually dislikes the genre does have a place, it's place isn't to be an outlier for an aggregate score.

If I don't like a specific type of game I won't even look for reviews of that game, there is already a lot of games on genres I like to play. We are talking about professional reviews and publications, they have the option to chose someone that understand the genre instead of someone who hates it. This isn't someone on youtube saying his individual preferences.

None of this is objective, DonFerrari. Every review is the opinion of an individual man or woman. The idea is to find the review that matches your specific tastes.

Furthermore, it's foolish to think someone who likes a specific genre or series is somehow more worthy than someone who dislikes a specific genre or series. How is handing a review to someone inclined to praise a game any different from handing a review to someone disinclined to praise a game?

The more opinions and perspectives, the better. Your system would satisfy only publishers and the fanboys who worship them. 



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Veknoid_Outcast said:
DonFerrari said:

Someone who hates the genre isn't doing a objective analysis of that game with an accurate score for someone who enjoys the genre. And several or perhaps all of his criticisms would fall on the critics of the genre not the game or how he wanted the game to do and not if the game do what it stand to do.

If I don't like a specific type of game I won't even look for reviews of that game, there is already a lot of games on genres I like to play. We are talking about professional reviews and publications, they have the option to chose someone that understand the genre instead of someone who hates it. This isn't someone on youtube saying his individual preferences.

None of this is objective, DonFerrari. Every review is the opinion of an individual man or woman. The idea is to find the review that matches your specific tastes.

Furthermore, it's foolish to think someone who likes a specific genre or series is somehow more worthy than someone who dislikes a specific genre or series. How is handing a review to someone inclined to praise a game any different from handing a review to someone disinclined to praise a game?

The more opinions and perspectives, the better. Your system would satisfy only publishers and the fanboys who worship them. 

If I wanted an informed opinion about something I like, I would rather listen to someone that have a taste for that.

Would you take the criticism of someone that likes comics as relevant to books just because both are written? Sure all reviews are subjective (but can still point to objectively verifiable things), still when a game is generally considered 90+ and you as someone that doesn't like the genre grades it as a 40 don't say it is "good to listen to the ones that don't agree". If the person likes the genre and give a harsh criticism that is totally fine, when someone doesn't like it goes to the hating... at least that is usually what our moderation team do on their moderation over here, harsh critics from people that are outside of the fanbase go to the classification of hate not fair criticism.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

I think we will find this is a very.....VERY good game and a reminder why PS4 is smoking the XBone.
I have to say the visuals are incredible but maybe the combat looks a bit simple?
Anyway I'm looking forward to the game....



DonFerrari said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:

None of this is objective, DonFerrari. Every review is the opinion of an individual man or woman. The idea is to find the review that matches your specific tastes.

Furthermore, it's foolish to think someone who likes a specific genre or series is somehow more worthy than someone who dislikes a specific genre or series. How is handing a review to someone inclined to praise a game any different from handing a review to someone disinclined to praise a game?

The more opinions and perspectives, the better. Your system would satisfy only publishers and the fanboys who worship them. 

If I wanted an informed opinion about something I like, I would rather listen to someone that have a taste for that.

Would you take the criticism of someone that likes comics as relevant to books just because both are written? Sure all reviews are subjective (but can still point to objectively verifiable things), still when a game is generally considered 90+ and you as someone that doesn't like the genre grades it as a 40 don't say it is "good to listen to the ones that don't agree". If the person likes the genre and give a harsh criticism that is totally fine, when someone doesn't like it goes to the hating... at least that is usually what our moderation team do on their moderation over here, harsh critics from people that are outside of the fanbase go to the classification of hate not fair criticism.

"If I wanted an informed opinion about something I like, I would rather listen to someone that have a taste for that."

That's exactly right. And if I wanted an informed opinion about something I don't like, I would want an outlet for that as well. I'm not arguing to replace positive reviews with negative reviews. I'm arguing to allow them to sit side-by-side, and let the consumer decide which is most appropriate.

Don't confuse an outlier score with "hating." If you take the time to read the review (and not just freak out about the number on Metacritic) you might be surprised. There are cogent, artful 3/10 reviews and amateurish, incoherent 10/10 reviews. 



Veknoid_Outcast said:
DonFerrari said:

If I wanted an informed opinion about something I like, I would rather listen to someone that have a taste for that.

Would you take the criticism of someone that likes comics as relevant to books just because both are written? Sure all reviews are subjective (but can still point to objectively verifiable things), still when a game is generally considered 90+ and you as someone that doesn't like the genre grades it as a 40 don't say it is "good to listen to the ones that don't agree". If the person likes the genre and give a harsh criticism that is totally fine, when someone doesn't like it goes to the hating... at least that is usually what our moderation team do on their moderation over here, harsh critics from people that are outside of the fanbase go to the classification of hate not fair criticism.

"If I wanted an informed opinion about something I like, I would rather listen to someone that have a taste for that."

That's exactly right. And if I wanted an informed opinion about something I don't like, I would want an outlet for that as well. I'm not arguing to replace positive reviews with negative reviews. I'm arguing to allow them to sit side-by-side, and let the consumer decide which is most appropriate.

Don't confuse an outlier score with "hating." If you take the time to read the review (and not just freak out about the number on Metacritic) you might be surprised. There are cogent, artful 3/10 reviews and amateurish, incoherent 10/10 reviews. 

If I don't like a genre or a game why would I look after reviews to cement that view when I can use my time in a much better way playing what I like?

If you don't like the genre, hate the type of game, then your score is born from hating it. Just like the gal that reviewed GT5 and her main reason for a 4/10 was "what is the point of running in circles? Despise being pretty this game is really boring".

But surely enough if you are looking at exclusives you may also ignore the magazines that are attached to the brand to also avoid overly positive reviews... but in a case like HZD a 6/10 is a troll even if you go there and justify "it is cogent and artful". There were justifications on the 6/10 with "this perfect part here Witcher was doing before, this other great part over here GTA have done, this amazing section Assassins Creed done", so the game was reviewed as almost flaweless, but got a 6/10 because aspects of it were done in other games, that doesn't seem like value added at all.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

I might have to give this series another chance.

I enjoyed GoW well enough to finish it, I skipped 2 and returned the series with the third game. That game I found to be completely unengaging with terrible, boring characters and an even more uninteresting story. I put that game down deciding I was done with that series. The fact that this seems to be a reboot for the brand and seeks to deliver a longer and deeper story is the biggest attraction for me.