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Forums - Politics Discussion - New California has filed to become the "51st" US state

spurgeonryan said:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-california-declares-independence-from-rest-of-state/

 

I am still waiting for Puerto Rico to become the 51st state. 

 

SACRAMENTO -- With the reading of their own version of a Declaration of Independence, founders of the state of New California took the first steps to what they hope will eventually lead to statehood. CBS Sacramento reports they don't want to leave the United States, just California.

"Well, it's been ungovernable for a long time. High taxes, education, you name it, and we're rated around 48th or 50th from a business climate and standpoint in California," said founder Robert Paul Preston.

The state of New California would incorporate most of the state's rural counties, leaving the urban coastal counties to the current state of California.

"There's something wrong when you have a rural county such as this one, and you go down to Orange County which is mostly urban, and it has the same set of problems, and it happens because of how the state is being governed and taxed," Preston said.

 

Read rest at the el-linko above^

I am also waiting for Puerto Rico to become the 51st state.



Proud to be a Californian.

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Ka-pi96 said:
Errorist76 said:

 

So they essentially want to „get rid of the waste“ in Trump speech?! For it to become New California there first needs to be no California no more. Also I’m sure the constitution forbids such a thing, right?!

That's not true. York still exists despite New York being a thing as well.

I really wasn’t being serious anyway. The whole thing sounds so silly.



Sounds like another case of urban versus rural. It honestly would make sense to cut that huge land mass into two, probably be easier to govern. But even if everyone was on board with the split the sheer cost and effort it would require is prohibitive.



Errorist76 said:

 

So they essentially want to „get rid of the waste“ in Trump speech?! For it to become New California there first needs to be no California no more. Also I’m sure the constitution forbids such a thing, right?!

 

NightlyPoe said: 

Article IV: Section 3

New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.

That’s what I thought.

If they complain about the state‘s government why did they elect it?!

That is their point. They don't have representation in their mind. If you look at the map showing who wants to break away, its covers like 95% of the total land area, yet I would guess they only represent 30% of the total population. Thus you have the highly populated urban areas electing all of the government in that state. The officials running for government there know this and thus pander to the urban areas and make all the rules that benefit the urban area.

It's the very reason we don't have a popular vote for president, but the one we have. It's so that people running for president don't just pander 100% to the huge cities and ignore 95% of the rest of the country.



irstupid said:
Errorist76 said:

 

So they essentially want to „get rid of the waste“ in Trump speech?! For it to become New California there first needs to be no California no more. Also I’m sure the constitution forbids such a thing, right?!

 

That’s what I thought.

If they complain about the state‘s government why did they elect it?!

That is their point. They don't have representation in their mind. If you look at the map showing who wants to break away, its covers like 95% of the total land area, yet I would guess they only represent 30% of the total population. Thus you have the highly populated urban areas electing all of the government in that state. The officials running for government there know this and thus pander to the urban areas and make all the rules that benefit the urban area.

It's the very reason we don't have a popular vote for president, but the one we have. It's so that people running for president don't just pander 100% to the huge cities and ignore 95% of the rest of the country.

Last I knew voting works by voice, not by land mass.



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California is a mess. Highest population. highest poverty %, highest taxes. A total mess.

This makes sense and I understand why the rural cities would want it, but its not going to happen.



Errorist76 said:

Last I knew voting works by voice, not by land mass.

That's the way it was supposed to work - the EC was supposed to be 1 per senator (2 per state) and 1 per rep (so each state got 3 no matter how small).

You are (based on how it was setup) supposed to have 1 member of the house per 30,000 voters.  This means that places with larger populations were *by design* meant to have a larger voice.  The idea that low population states were supposed to be protected was based on the 'min 3 votes' and the senate - which was always 2 per state no matter the population - thus ensuring that a small state would never have less voice than a big state.

The EC and house though - those were supposed to be pure 'biggest voice wins' types of things - the changes to the house (because of building size) in the early 20th century stopped us from adding more reps - and caused the situation we are in now - which is the *opposite* of how our country was meant to be run.



Errorist76 said: 

That’s what I thought.

If they complain about the state‘s government why did they elect it?!

They didn't. That's what's partly motivating it. The rural areas in California, like with the rest of the country, are much more conservative.

So this is the conservative parts of the state reacting to the fact that they're in a permanently democratic state and wanting to fix that.



Errorist76 said:
irstupid said:

That is their point. They don't have representation in their mind. If you look at the map showing who wants to break away, its covers like 95% of the total land area, yet I would guess they only represent 30% of the total population. Thus you have the highly populated urban areas electing all of the government in that state. The officials running for government there know this and thus pander to the urban areas and make all the rules that benefit the urban area.

It's the very reason we don't have a popular vote for president, but the one we have. It's so that people running for president don't just pander 100% to the huge cities and ignore 95% of the rest of the country.

Last I knew voting works by voice, not by land mass.

It's not by land mass, but by demographics. The rural areas or small cities want completely different things than the big urban cities.

Take video games since we are on this site. How would you like it if every time a publisher was to make a new game they would send out a poll to the masses on what type of game it should be. There are more FPS fans than any other, so every single game from every publisher is a fps game.  Or how about when the Wii was released and they did a poll. The masses would have voted that they want every single game made to be motion controlled cause WIi Sports was fun. Would us forum dwellers on this site like that? We got outvoted, so we can't complain right. Democracy.

It's the same for those non big city places. The governors/senators/ect are making laws that benefit or help the people in the city and either are detrimental to other people or ignore them completely. They wouldn't care about the rural areas cause the number of voters there is insignificant to the big city.

Mob rule is never good rule.



Is there a word for it?

California has highest poverty rate of all US states, new report finds

http://www.dailycal.org/2017/10/04/california-highest-poverty-rate-u-s-states-report-finds/

A little more than 20 percent of Californians — about 8 million people — live in poverty.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7HozzSGakA