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Last November,

I supported him and I still do - Americas 91 15.77%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Americas 16 2.77%
 
I supported him and I still do - Europe 37 6.41%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Europe 7 1.21%
 
I supported him and I still do - Asia 6 1.04%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Asia 1 0.17%
 
I supported him and I still do - RoW 15 2.60%
 
I supported him and I now don't - RoW 2 0.35%
 
I didn't support him and still don't. 373 64.64%
 
I didn't support him and now do. 29 5.03%
 
Total:577
Superman4 said:
Machiavellian said:
True to form and wasting no time, we see Trump doing what Trump does best, blame someone else for his failure. Now who didn't see this coming.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-trump-blames-cohen-testimony-north-korea-summit-20190304-story.html

He didnt blame anything on the "testimony". He stated a fact which is that the Liberal media chose to focus all attention on a convicted liar instead of a meeting with a country that has huge ramifications on the world. They chose to show the hearing because they knew they would like what they heard and it would play into their bullshit narrative. Cohen even admitted to being briefed on what to say by Schitt face himself. 

Not to mention that even reporters at the 'summit' between Trump and Un, some of them asked him about the Cohen thing going on. You have a meeting between our President of the United States and a loony toon from a dangerous country who we are trying to disarm and make the world a safer place and a reporter thinks its a good idea to start asking biased partisan questions during this fragile important meeting?



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It saddens me that we live in a world that demands both sides of an argument get equal respect when there is, at least in this case, a clear line between what's right and what's wrong. I hate that we have to pretend anything Trump says is reasonable or good for the country. I hate that we can't just dismiss modern republicans as the villains they are and fight against them as enemies. I hate that there's so much hypocrisy but you can't call out people on their hypocrisy. I hate that there are so many blatant, repeated examples of poor logic, pushing faulty facts or outright lies, bias, and shady debate tactics here but instead of just saying 'no, you can't do that, that's wrong because [insert logical fallacy of the day here]', you have to actually debate their broken, flawed, untrue points.

Never argue with a fool. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.



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Runa216 said:

Never argue with a fool. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Haha, nice - all too true - am gonna use that one in the future :)



irstupid said:
Superman4 said:

He didnt blame anything on the "testimony". He stated a fact which is that the Liberal media chose to focus all attention on a convicted liar instead of a meeting with a country that has huge ramifications on the world. They chose to show the hearing because they knew they would like what they heard and it would play into their bullshit narrative. Cohen even admitted to being briefed on what to say by Schitt face himself. 

Not to mention that even reporters at the 'summit' between Trump and Un, some of them asked him about the Cohen thing going on. You have a meeting between our President of the United States and a loony toon from a dangerous country who we are trying to disarm and make the world a safer place and a reporter thinks its a good idea to start asking biased partisan questions during this fragile important meeting?

Lol, so the liberal media did not care so much about Trump and Kim meeting and this somehow helped to stifle a deal between the 2.  If anything, you have 2 loony toons looking for publicity for another meeting that wasn't going to net anything.   This game between the US and NK has been played the same in the past.  If you can tell us what has changed today then before maybe people can take them seriously.  



Machiavellian said:
irstupid said:

Not to mention that even reporters at the 'summit' between Trump and Un, some of them asked him about the Cohen thing going on. You have a meeting between our President of the United States and a loony toon from a dangerous country who we are trying to disarm and make the world a safer place and a reporter thinks its a good idea to start asking biased partisan questions during this fragile important meeting?

Lol, so the liberal media did not care so much about Trump and Kim meeting and this somehow helped to stifle a deal between the 2.  If anything, you have 2 loony toons looking for publicity for another meeting that wasn't going to net anything.   This game between the US and NK has been played the same in the past.  If you can tell us what has changed today then before maybe people can take them seriously.  

You can't see how asking a completely random, not related question to the president when he is trying to disarm an evil country that has nukes is not a good thing? There is a little something called a time and a place. Ask those questions when he is gone and the meeting is over. 

Imagine you are pitching a big multi-million dollar sales pitch to a company that you have spent months preparing and getting ready for. Then after you give your presentation, someone in your OWN company goes: "What do you think about Fred over in accounting, saying that you guys went out drinking a few weeks ago, got shit faced and peed on your ex's car?" 

How is that helpful to the sales pitch. Why is a coworker of yours sabotaging your potential deal? It is nothing but blatent sabotage that helps no one, unless your coworker doesn't want you to get the deal. How do you think the rest of the pitch meeting will go? Do you think that company will like working with you now? And that example is just about a business deal to make money. The North Korea situation, we are talking about the hope to disarm North Korea. Talk about the stakes being a little higher. So how about those reporters take their petty shit and leave it in the states. 



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Runa216 said:
It saddens me that we live in a world that demands both sides of an argument get equal respect when there is, at least in this case, a clear line between what's right and what's wrong. I hate that we have to pretend anything Trump says is reasonable or good for the country. I hate that we can't just dismiss modern republicans as the villains they are and fight against them as enemies. I hate that there's so much hypocrisy but you can't call out people on their hypocrisy. I hate that there are so many blatant, repeated examples of poor logic, pushing faulty facts or outright lies, bias, and shady debate tactics here but instead of just saying 'no, you can't do that, that's wrong because [insert logical fallacy of the day here]', you have to actually debate their broken, flawed, untrue points.

Never argue with a fool. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Bolded 1 :Life is never black and white and you should not see it this way,i do not like Trump myself but to state that we should be totally against anything he says sounds unfair and ignorant.

Bolded 2 :You fight against them as enemies and others fight against them as people,flawed people.

Bolded 3: this can be used against yourself,a great way to shut down conversation.

I do feel empathic towards you,your faith in humanity seems to be pretty low, just remember that atleast on this forum you argue with others mostly over petty things while having the same ideals as them and the only thing that differs is the trust in certain media.



The whole NK situation is a disaster. Why cant we just nuke their bomb sites?



SpokenTruth said:
jason1637 said:
The whole NK situation is a disaster. Why cant we just nuke their bomb sites?

We do not have a No First Use policy so we technically could without violating ours or international laws. But it probably would not be a good idea to strike with nukes first anyway.

Why not? Diplomacy does not seem to work so it would be best just to nuke their bomb sites and try to send the troops we have in SK in to get rid of Kim.



Machiavellian said:
EricHiggin said:

Depends how you look at it but I can't deny he did technically fail to make a deal. That doesn't mean his choice to walk away was the wrong decision though, assuming the other option would have been to force a poor deal. Overall, both sides tried to make a deal and came away empty handed, so nobody won or lost really, as long as the relationship remains friendly and open to further negotiations, which it looks to be.

Rome wasn't built in a day.

 

Already? You mean after my post? Ok?

I don't see anything that says he completed anything. Looks like he may have said it's in progress, and considering his history in construction, the process doesn't start with immediately physically building anything, it starts with planning and negotiations.

Machiavellian said:
EricHiggin said:

Blame everyone else in my initial post? Where I said he could have offered billions to sweeten the deal but the left would have scolded him for that? How is that blaming the left for his failure to strike a deal? Him being scolded wouldn't prevent a worthy deal from happening if it could have. Trump doesn't care about the left so I'm told.

So if the people, not part of Gov, and not that well versed in politics, are acting like children due to poor MSM parenting, why when 'dad', the Prez, tries to teach them a something and straighten them out, he gets bashed and ridiculed for his parenting? Half or more of the kids are listening and behaving just fine. Shifting blame to the child? Why don't we let them vote? If the child constantly lies, odds are good it's not mostly the kids fault, since they don't know any better and won't unless proper teachings or consequences are put before them. Many kids will throw a tantrum when this happens but backing down and being 'mr nice guy' will only get you lied to more and walked all over. I wonder why Trump doesn't back down?

I just simply said I didn't use a phrase like deplorables, to back up my point about not blaming 'everyone' so you seemed to somehow think. You then took that an turned it into me painting the entire left with that. Didn't I recently mention something about the left and spin?

You continue to speak on parenting as if you know what you are talking about.  There is no shifting blame to a child because a child's actions is their own.  A child chooses to follow advice and teachings or not follow.  You are under a very foolish impression that a child does not understand their choices or their actions.  The fact a child lies is definitely evidence the child understands because there would not be any reason to lie if you are not afraid of the consequences.  

As to why Trump never back down from his lies, why would he.  He has you to defend them which is every conman prize.  Why would he ever admit he has lied, embellish the truth or deceived anyone.  A conman would never admit those things and since people like you seem to be more than happy to defend him he doesn't need to.  Hell the bolded part should be something you ask yourself because no one else isn't being "Mr Nice Guy" to Trump.

Who cares what phrase you use or not use.  At the end of the day, you have built a box and looking to drop anyone in there that meets your opinion.  This is why everything is left and right to you.  As long as you can put people into your box you feel comfortable instead of looking at each individual as their own person.

Well we can look at this a couple ways. You simply disagree with my points regardless of my knowledge and experience when it comes to parenting. Either that or not having kids, which means I wouldn't have direct experience of the subject, apparently makes my points less worthy if not worthless. If that's true, then anyone who isn't a politician, can say whatever they want but it must be mostly worthless due to their lack of direct experience, and only those that have been Presidents should be highly regarded when speaking about Presidential issues. Children, even teens in general, don't understand the long term repercussions of lying. They will learn and understand it helps them get out of trouble now, but they don't understand the much larger problem it will be for them in the future. This is a big reason why children aren't aloud to vote. This is why it's up to the parent to teach them this, as young as possible, because there is a reason why the, "you can't teach an old dog new tricks" saying exists. It's not completely accurate but in general is well understood.

Like I said before, if you back down you will get walked all over, especially by the whiny ones. Backing off here and there, even if you think they're wrong, is sometimes a good idea for scoring points with them on minor issues, since it makes them think/feel your on their side and more fair, even if your not, like playing good cop back cop with a kid. Trumps opposition constantly whines, no matter how insignificant the topic, and Trump puts his foot down most of the time. How often has America as a whole been negatively impacted by this? From Trump and many conservatives point of view, while they may say the opposition are being jerks, they're only saying that because they are annoyed and want the useless portion of the whining to stop. What they really think, is the opposition is weak, like a whiny child, and are being a bunch of 'mr nice guys'. Political correctness is a lefty thing, and is still clearly abided by for the most part, yet they don't realize it. I guess that's why the MSM never admits to their 'mistakes' either. Maybe Trump and the MSM are meant for each other?

You pointed out it was used by that "one person", HC I would assume, and that's why you replied like you did, so obviously you cared. I still can't see how it has to do with me hating the entire left, and I'm going to have a hard time figuring that out unless you go beyond simply stating that's what I'm doing. I think you mean I built a box that's been invaded and I'd like them to get out because that's not what it's meant for, but they say borders and walls are immoral so I guess I can't do anything about it. Maybe I should spend more time at work and split my earnings with them?



viewjet said:

He's protected religious freedom.

What about Freedom from religion?



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