Thank you for posting your opinion in a positive way, instead of what usually goes on around here. And ya I agree it's line-up has sucked for years. If it wasn't for halo (by far my favorite game series) I'd be really pissed off about now.i love my Xbox as a entertainment up. Netflix, and other stuff. Of course the 4K drive is extremely nice too. If only first party was better...

Nintendo can be successful without third party, but did not fare well for years (outside of the Wii) without a gimmick. If Nintendo went after Sony and Microsoft with a purely traditional console void of third party, they would be destroyed. How do you think Sony beat them in the first place? The switch is on fire and projected to have legs because its also a handheld. Analysts increased their projection based on an expectation that the switch will sell like a traditional handheld and not a console. I don't know if this is commonly understood, but its mostly understood on this website that -he who has the third party will amass a proper audience to survive. Its the exclusives that will make you stand out. If Nintendo had the third party in a traditional capacity, Microsoft wouldnt be able to do much to stop their ascent. it would just be Sony and Nintendo battling it out with new IP after new IP.....welll..as you're seeing now (just with a hybrid vs a traditional console).  Sony and Nintendo are generations ahead of Microsoft in built up studio talent.  It would take Microsoft a generation or two to find even half the truste devs Sony and Nintendo have now, and even then Sony and Nintendo would probably have more by the time they caught up tothe amount of trusted devs they have this gen.

So if instead switch, nintendo launches a traditional home console in March 2017, with botw at launch,mk8d in april, splatoon in july, and mario in november, with the promise of pokemon and animal crossing in the future, with the same amount of marketing. Would they really be destroyed? A 40M plus would be a lock, and I would expect a bit north of 50M lt.  Sony beat them in the first place because the Wii U was a monumental fuck-up in so many areas (not that I say nintendo wont be beat by sony anyways, but it will get beat by a smaller margin than people think). Mario, Smash, MarioKart Zelda, Pokemon, Splatoon and Animal Crossing and more can keep a system alive and well if utilized correctly.

Dude, come on. You don’t have to defend MS to the end. Companies are fallible. Sony has things it does that piss me off as well. And Nintendo’s got its stuff too. I said nothing about MS advertising or even boasting for a true or console exclusive. What’s wrong with that?? This is ONLY an issue of deceptive advertising. And I didn’t say Sony or Nintendo have NEVER done it, just that MS is by far the guiltiest with this issue. I mean, I just gave you a source where a major Xbox fan brought up this same point. It’s not just Sony or Nintendo fanboys or the people on this thread; it’s a pretty widely recognized issue at this point. 

Anyway, here’s another source that says exactly what I’m saying. I just saw this in the “around the network” ad in a VGC thread. Here’s a quote:

“No company has been more guilty, in recent years, of playing fast and loose with the word exclusive than Microsoft. During Gamescom 2014, Microsoft announced Rise of the Tomb Raider as an Xbox exclusive title “for Holiday 2015.” The unclear messaging led to a lot of confusion among gamers and outlets trying to report news of the announcement. At the end of the day, the game was a timed exclusive that made its way to PS4 a year later.

...In order to reclaim some of the marketing oomph the word ‘exclusive’ provides, Microsoft has tacked on a number of qualifiers to the word. At E3 2017, Xbox featured 15 “exclusive” titles during their press briefings. Of the 15, eight were console exclusives also releasing on Windows 10, and seven were announced as ‘console launch exclusives’, meaning they will eventually come to PS4.”

And it goes on. It gives criticisms of Sony as well, but on different issues (e.g. getting exclusive content like in Destiny).

http://twinfinite.net/2017/08/exclusive-even-mean-anymore/?utm_source=zergnet.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=zergnet_2159706

Not even defending Microsoft. Just pointing out when people are wrong.

And yeah, that second source you provided gets it wrong, just like the first one. It's criticizing MS for adding a qualifier to exclusives at E3 2017, when Sony was already using it for PS4 games since at least 2013. Again, that's not defending anyone. Just stating facts. That article basically says both companies do shady shit PR wise. To me the only real shady thing out of that article is the Destiny stuff. I don't give a shit if any company markets an exclusive however they want, be it MS with Tomb Raider or Sony with Crash. I don't care about console exclusives, whether it's SFV for Sony or Dead Rising 3 with MS. Just don't see the big deal, especially with a game we all know is coming to PS4 anyway :)

Done posting ITT.

Jeez man, 2 sources and so many other people saying the same exact thing, but everyone else is wrong, and you’re right? I have officially learned to never try to reason with you ever, ever, never-ever, ever again when it comes to something dealing with a criticism of MS/Xbox. Oh, and of course the only thing you agree with in the article is the criticism of Sony haha.

Your intentional ignorance and obvious bias are impressive, my friend. 

If the responses are going to be these adorable tantrums of personal attacks then please keep trying to "reason" with me LOL.

It's not rocket science, breh. Your sources are welcome to their opinions that MS fiddles with the exclusive terminology too much, or more than Sony. I'd certainly agree on the second one lately. But I just take issue with them claiming MS is the only one guilty of doing something Sony has also done this gen. That tells me they either don't pay attention, or they do pay attention and are ignoring/excusing it in Sonys case. Either one is good enough for me, take your pick.

Hope that helps :)

In terms of this case, both do it but Microsoft does it worse. On the other side, Sony keeps messing with people when it comes to exclusive content, so both are equally bad and they both need to stop it lol

Best consumer case scenario: No exclusive content, No timed exclusives

Maybe my message came off as angry, but that wasn’t the case. A bit irritated, yes, but certainly not angry.

The two bolded parts are contradictory. This is the thing. I’m not saying—and neither is that article—that Sony has never done it. I actually said exactly that in my prior posts. What everyone is saying is simply that MS is way worse in this regard, esp in the past couple years, than Sony and Nintendo. I’ve said this several times now, but your responses make it seem like you didn’t read what I said.

Certainly not trying to pick fights on here. Have never done that in my years on this site. Sorry my message seemed like I was attacking you. Just felt like you were completely unwilling to see from a neutral perspective. Maybe should’ve worded my message differently, though.