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KManX89 on 15 October 2017
TH3-D0S3R said:
Dulfite said:

Ok, where to begin. Not gonna argue, just gonna state my opinions which could be totally wrong, but I'll state them anyway. In short, I disagree.

While your right about extremists not being the deciding factor, it isn't always the moderates that decide elections. A lot of it has to do with voter turnout. If people are unmotivated by a candidate (as many weren't by Clinton due to all the scandals and laws she broke), then they won't vote in numbers. Also, when Obama won like 95+5 of the black vote, you could just tell that many voted for him simply because he was black. All of a sudden the black votes drop tremendously because you've got an old white person running no matter who you vote for (Trump/Clinton/Bernie/Johnson).

Trump has been fighting for jobs and with a lot of success. I believe I read recently that jobs have been going up a good amount and the overall value of the economy has gone up over  $5-6 trillion since he took office (value, not talking about anything else). I think workers will vote for him if they get jobs because of his initiatives in keeping companies in America. I also think the rust belt will vote for him again because Trump is focusing more on helping the middle working class and not the poor (whereas Obama often screwed the working class with Obama care in favor of the poor).

This statement right here.

America is in a gridlock. The Rust Belt is the main area that I can see currently undergoing a transition. Democrats have transitioned their focus from the working man to the city occupants, and while I think this would be a good move 20 years from now, they did it a tad early and policy wise will drastically affect them for years to come. Not every state is Cali or the Northeast Coast, so preaching message you may give to people in California will not appeal factory workers in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin.

If Trump gets more jobs in these states and gets the tax cuts he desires, I cannot see him losing in 2020.

Except those tax cuts won't benefit the working class folks in those states if passed, they'll benefit the richest Americans (as always per the GOP) and add trillions to the deficit.

But don't take MY word for it.

Trump owes every economic talking point to Obama and the GOP because they fortunately haven't been able to get anything passed yet.



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sethnintendo on 15 October 2017

One thing former Exxon CEO fuck has right. He is a fucking moron.



sethnintendo on 15 October 2017
StarOcean said:
Soundwave said:

Where are you reading that? Congress overwhelmingly passed it, don't think there's anything Trump could do about it now. 

http://www.nydailynews.com/amp/news/politics/trump-administration-ignoring-deadline-russian-sanctions-article-1.3557289

That story doesn't make sense.  I could have sworn he was forced to sign the sanctions bill into law.  He had to because he would have faced an override on the veto and it would make him look like a little bitch that he is.  The only thing I can think of is if he did a signing statement like Bush Jr did with the torture bill (I am signing this bill but I don't believe I need to follow it, aka I'm above the law). 



Final-Fan on 15 October 2017
Soundwave said:

Trump will cry "fake news" but I don't buy it. Why would he make Tillerson hastily go in front of the press to pledge allegiance to Trump last week? And why would he make the bizarre move of challenging Tillerson to an I.Q. test (lol) in public? Because this got under his skin because it's legit. Tillerson will likely "resign" in a few months, as not to draw any more attention to this.

The story might be real, but your reasons are bad.  Trump is all about image*, so he'd react to a false rumor almost as badly as a real one. 

*He just has very specific ideas about what image he wants to project.  He's fine with "proving" he has a good vocabulary by saying "I have the best words" as long as an audience is willing to cheer him on when he does it.  Why do you think he loves the campaign trail so much he never left it?  Shit, the actual job of the presidency is probably just a distraction to him. 



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Final-Fan on 15 October 2017
Dulfite said:
poroporo said:

It doesn't work like in the movies though.

lol no cause in the movies and shows the winners and "good guys" are always democrats because hollywood is full of liberals. Swingvote was the only one I can think of that actually had a Republican president that wasn't portrayed as a total moron compared to the other guy (they were both, equally, portrayed as morons). 

And what proportion of movies where the President is a character really identify him by party?  In other words, are you sure you aren't just assuming they're all Democratic because the movie is made by Hollywood? 

Looking at a Wikipedia list of fictional vice presidents, I skimmed over the descriptions and arrived at these counts:  about 120-130 different works of fiction, which I counted only once per party (a TV series with 5 presidents from the same party counts as 1); about 25 named as Democrats form that list and about 22 named as Rebuplican; about 1 Democrat that I spotted as heroic from the description and about 4 that I spotted as villainous, compared to 0 and 1 Republican respectively; and about 6 independent or from some other party.  However, this list is not restricted to movies; there were a lot of books and TV series. 



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Soundwave on 17 October 2017

Tillerson would not answer when pressed if he called the president a moron, so that basically confirms he did call him that, because why would just not say "no, I never said that", if you didn't say it. He side stepped it.



S.T.A.G.E. on 17 October 2017
Final-Fan said:
Soundwave said:

Trump will cry "fake news" but I don't buy it. Why would he make Tillerson hastily go in front of the press to pledge allegiance to Trump last week? And why would he make the bizarre move of challenging Tillerson to an I.Q. test (lol) in public? Because this got under his skin because it's legit. Tillerson will likely "resign" in a few months, as not to draw any more attention to this.

The story might be real, but your reasons are bad.  Trump is all about image*, so he'd react to a false rumor almost as badly as a real one. 

*He just has very specific ideas about what image he wants to project.  He's fine with "proving" he has a good vocabulary by saying "I have the best words" as long as an audience is willing to cheer him on when he does it.  Why do you think he loves the campaign trail so much he never left it?  Shit, the actual job of the presidency is probably just a distraction to him. 

Honestly, trump reacts the way he does to things because hes out of touch in his age and never could quite get past his narssistic persona. Another issue is that he doesnt seem to project that he was ready for the job of presidency. That in itself is far harder than anything hes ever done.



sethnintendo on 21 October 2017
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Final-Fan said:

The story might be real, but your reasons are bad.  Trump is all about image*, so he'd react to a false rumor almost as badly as a real one. 

*He just has very specific ideas about what image he wants to project.  He's fine with "proving" he has a good vocabulary by saying "I have the best words" as long as an audience is willing to cheer him on when he does it.  Why do you think he loves the campaign trail so much he never left it?  Shit, the actual job of the presidency is probably just a distraction to him. 

Honestly, trump reacts the way he does to things because hes out of touch in his age and never could quite get past his narssistic persona. Another issue is that he doesnt seem to project that he was ready for the job of presidency. That in itself is far harder than anything hes ever done.

https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/politics/100000004351894/trump-says-hell-wait-to-act-presidential.html

Are you bored yet?



S.T.A.G.E. on 21 October 2017
sethnintendo said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Honestly, trump reacts the way he does to things because hes out of touch in his age and never could quite get past his narssistic persona. Another issue is that he doesnt seem to project that he was ready for the job of presidency. That in itself is far harder than anything hes ever done.

https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/politics/100000004351894/trump-says-hell-wait-to-act-presidential.html

Are you bored yet?

Trump would have to put his ego to the side somewhat in order to be presidential. He sets no standard as far as being orderly and mannerly. 



sethnintendo on 21 October 2017
S.T.A.G.E. said:
sethnintendo said:

https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/politics/100000004351894/trump-says-hell-wait-to-act-presidential.html

Are you bored yet?

Trump would have to put his ego to the side somewhat in order to be presidential. He sets no standard as far as being orderly and mannerly. 

Trump is a piece of shit.  There is no debating that.