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DonFerrari said:
Chris Hu said:

Well true commuism is pretty much unopotainable.  The end goal of the Soviet Union was to eventually transform towards true commuism but it collapesed long before even comming close and in the end capitalism won.

First I see unopotainable and thought it was my lack of vocabulary, but the meaning seemed close to unobtainable, is that it?

But yes you are right that "real comunism" is unatainable, but even the though of "forcing everyone to be equal" is also wrong... but the phrase in itself is that it's wrong to forcibly take something from someone and give another just that everyone have the same.

Machiavellian said:

Yes, but is it news.  In other words, people get wrongful termination all the time.  Its up to the person who got fired to go through the process.  In some states, a company can fire you for anything, there needs be no reason.  This guy could have been easily setup and depending on the state it really doesn't matter.  The thing is, whether the company did a due process or not really depends on the state and the company policy within their employee handbook.  In the end, not sure if this is news or even new.

No it isn't new... but the comment and spin is valid... if someone complained in the school that a teacher was mocking the heritage of Red necks, KKK, Confederates and etc, the person would probably be told "to fuck off". But in this case just a miss report with ill intetions warranted a summary termination.

Yes companies doesn't need to give a reason in Brazil as well (but several cases this type of termination gets invalidated), but when you do give a reason and it seems like any type of prosecution than you may have an issue with the termination.

And even thought companies can fire without "reason" there is always a reason, unless the boss is completely obtuse no one fire an employee just for pleasure because that will have an impact on the business... so any inteligent firing have to weight pros and cons, impacts before decided.

Well Maoist China in the beginning maybe came somewhat close to being a real communist the country. China was devasted by Japan during WWII so it was pretty classless, even before the war there wheren't many rich people in China due to Western colonialism but they still had a currency and having no money is one of the key aspects of real communism.  Plus once the opened up to the West, China became quickly very capitalistic.  As far as the Soviets go they never really considered themselves true communist even Lenin himself said that they only achieved State Capitalism but not true communism.



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Chris Hu said:
DonFerrari said:

First I see unopotainable and thought it was my lack of vocabulary, but the meaning seemed close to unobtainable, is that it?

But yes you are right that "real comunism" is unatainable, but even the though of "forcing everyone to be equal" is also wrong... but the phrase in itself is that it's wrong to forcibly take something from someone and give another just that everyone have the same.

No it isn't new... but the comment and spin is valid... if someone complained in the school that a teacher was mocking the heritage of Red necks, KKK, Confederates and etc, the person would probably be told "to fuck off". But in this case just a miss report with ill intetions warranted a summary termination.

Yes companies doesn't need to give a reason in Brazil as well (but several cases this type of termination gets invalidated), but when you do give a reason and it seems like any type of prosecution than you may have an issue with the termination.

And even thought companies can fire without "reason" there is always a reason, unless the boss is completely obtuse no one fire an employee just for pleasure because that will have an impact on the business... so any inteligent firing have to weight pros and cons, impacts before decided.

Well Maoist China in the beginning maybe came somewhat close to being a real communist the country. China was devasted by Japan during WWII so it was pretty classless, even before the war there wheren't many rich people in China due to Western colonialism but they still had a currency and having no money is one of the key aspects of real communism.  Plus once the opened up to the West, China became quickly very capitalistic.  As far as the Soviets go they never really considered themselves true communist even Lenin himself said that they only achieved State Capitalism but not true communism.

On that we would be talking semantics... but we all know the main reason socialism and comunism wouldn't work is because people doesn't want to be equal.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

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Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

The goal of socialism isn't for everyone to be equal.  Most developed countries actually are practicing some forms of socialism.  Even in the US there is lots of socialism just not the right kind since most of it is corporate socialsm where huge corporations get huge tax breaks or get a subsidy for producing certain goods.  Also if you look at the yearly happines index the top 10 contries are usually the ones that have lots of socialism. 



Chris Hu said:

The goal of socialism isn't for everyone to be equal.  Most developed countries actually are practicing some forms of socialism.  Even in the US there is lots of socialism just not the right kind since most of it is corporate socialsm where huge corporations get huge tax breaks or get a subsidy for producing certain goods.  Also if you look at the yearly happines index the top 10 contries are usually the ones that have lots of socialism. 

That's not what socialism is, that's social democracy/a welfare system.



Mystro-Sama said:
jason1637 said:
The guy deserves to be fired.

I think context is very important. If you can't joke about things like these with friends then its no wonder race relations in the US is so shit right now.

Racism shouldnt be joked about. The guy is racist and you're probably racist for defending him.



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VGPolyglot said:
Chris Hu said:

The goal of socialism isn't for everyone to be equal.  Most developed countries actually are practicing some forms of socialism.  Even in the US there is lots of socialism just not the right kind since most of it is corporate socialsm where huge corporations get huge tax breaks or get a subsidy for producing certain goods.  Also if you look at the yearly happines index the top 10 contries are usually the ones that have lots of socialism. 

That's not what socialism is, that's social democracy/a welfare system.

Social Democracy  is a form of socialism and for the most part it works really well.  Again the top 10 in the yearly happies index is usually dominated by social democracies.



Chris Hu said:
VGPolyglot said:

That's not what socialism is, that's social democracy/a welfare system.

Social Democracy  is a form of socialism and for the most part it works really well.  Again the top 10 in the yearly happies index is usually dominated by social democracies.

But social democrats of these days don't have a transition to socialism as a goal, it's mainly a means of compromise between the working class and the businessmen.



Chris Hu said:

The goal of socialism isn't for everyone to be equal.  Most developed countries actually are practicing some forms of socialism.  Even in the US there is lots of socialism just not the right kind since most of it is corporate socialsm where huge corporations get huge tax breaks or get a subsidy for producing certain goods.  Also if you look at the yearly happines index the top 10 contries are usually the ones that have lots of socialism. 

True, but some here may choke if they knew this.



jason1637 said:
Mystro-Sama said:

I think context is very important. If you can't joke about things like these with friends then its no wonder race relations in the US is so shit right now.

Racism shouldnt be joked about. The guy is racist and you're probably racist for defending him.

 

If that was Racism then BLM is super racist in comparison... 



jason1637 said:
Mystro-Sama said:

I think context is very important. If you can't joke about things like these with friends then its no wonder race relations in the US is so shit right now.

Racism shouldnt be joked about. The guy is racist and you're probably racist for defending him.

And is racism because?

Goodnightmoon said:
Chris Hu said:

The goal of socialism isn't for everyone to be equal.  Most developed countries actually are practicing some forms of socialism.  Even in the US there is lots of socialism just not the right kind since most of it is corporate socialsm where huge corporations get huge tax breaks or get a subsidy for producing certain goods.  Also if you look at the yearly happines index the top 10 contries are usually the ones that have lots of socialism. 

True, but some here may choke if they knew this.

Even more when the "socialism" there is granted based on plenty of resources that doesn't depend on the efforts and inovation of the workers right? Or that there were a lot of richness created before as well. 



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."