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DonFerrari said:
Leadified said:

Then the Soviet Union was not opposed to capitalism either since it's economy was run by state capitalist enterprises for the majority of it's history.

That is the slidesloope that will lead to apologetics that claim "comunism was never attempted, so you can't say it gone wrong"

They have a point, I suppose. But on the other hand if every attempt at communism causes it to degrade back into capitalism then it shows that communism is not a very practical system.



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Leadified said:
DonFerrari said:

That is the slidesloope that will lead to apologetics that claim "comunism was never attempted, so you can't say it gone wrong"

They have a point, I suppose. But on the other hand if every attempt at communism causes it to degrade back into capitalism then it shows that communism is not a very practical system.

I go by the adagio "communism didn't gone wrong, communism is wrong".



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Leadified said:
DonFerrari said:

That is the slidesloope that will lead to apologetics that claim "comunism was never attempted, so you can't say it gone wrong"

They have a point, I suppose. But on the other hand if every attempt at communism causes it to degrade back into capitalism then it shows that communism is not a very practical system.

Again, that's assuming that they actually were attempting communism. The Red Army attacked the Free Territory and re-incorporated it into their territory, despite their socialist structure, while they also signed a Non-Aggression Pact with Nazi Germany, which seems to be against their objectives considering that Nazi Germany were anti-communist and did not want its spread.



Ka-pi96 said:
VGPolyglot said:

Again, that's assuming that they actually were attempting communism. The Red Army attacked the Free Territory and re-incorporated it into their territory, despite their socialist structure, while they also signed a Non-Aggression Pact with Nazi Germany, which seems to be against their objectives considering that Nazi Germany were anti-communist and did not want its spread.

Getting a potential enemy to agree not to attack you definitely seems like it would be a good step towards anyones objectives.

That is true on a short-term scale, but the stated objectives of world communism and lebensraum made eventual conflict between the two inevitable.



VGPolyglot said:
Leadified said:

They have a point, I suppose. But on the other hand if every attempt at communism causes it to degrade back into capitalism then it shows that communism is not a very practical system.

Again, that's assuming that they actually were attempting communism. The Red Army attacked the Free Territory and re-incorporated it into their territory, despite their socialist structure, while they also signed a Non-Aggression Pact with Nazi Germany, which seems to be against their objectives considering that Nazi Germany were anti-communist and did not want its spread.

This is realpolitik, Ukraine is a valuable territory and signing a NAP with your biggest enemy while that same enemy is killing your other enemies is not a half bad idea. Bolsheviks and anarchists didn't really get along either, so the Bolsheviks could easily say they are fighting against enemies of the revolution.  Mao avoided fighting the Japanese to rebuild his manpower and resources while letting the KMT exhaust itself.



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Leadified said:
VGPolyglot said:

Again, that's assuming that they actually were attempting communism. The Red Army attacked the Free Territory and re-incorporated it into their territory, despite their socialist structure, while they also signed a Non-Aggression Pact with Nazi Germany, which seems to be against their objectives considering that Nazi Germany were anti-communist and did not want its spread.

This is realpolitik, Ukraine is a valuable territory and signing a NAP with your biggest enemy while that same enemy is killing your other enemies is not a half bad idea. Mao avoided fighting the Japanese to rebuild his manpower and resources while letting the KMT exhaust itself.

While they may be killing other enemies, Nazi Germany also crushed many socialist movements. Of course though, we can't read minds, so we can only interpret their motivations with our own biases.



VGPolyglot said:
Leadified said:

This is realpolitik, Ukraine is a valuable territory and signing a NAP with your biggest enemy while that same enemy is killing your other enemies is not a half bad idea. Mao avoided fighting the Japanese to rebuild his manpower and resources while letting the KMT exhaust itself.

While they may be killing other enemies, Nazi Germany also crushed many socialist movements. Of course though, we can't read minds, so we can only interpret their motivations with our own biases.

Socialist movements may not be inherently friendly to the Soviet regime. Moscow was happy as long as it could exert its influence, which it did without much trouble.



Leadified said:
VGPolyglot said:

While they may be killing other enemies, Nazi Germany also crushed many socialist movements. Of course though, we can't read minds, so we can only interpret their motivations with our own biases.

Socialist movements may not be inherently friendly to the Soviet regime. Moscow was happy as long as it could exert its influence, which it did without much trouble.

I realize that, but it goes along with me stating that  was  possibly rhetoric if they saw grassroots movements as a threat.



VGPolyglot said:
Leadified said:

Socialist movements may not be inherently friendly to the Soviet regime. Moscow was happy as long as it could exert its influence, which it did without much trouble.

I realize that, but it goes along with me stating that  was  possibly rhetoric if they saw grassroots movements as a threat.

Probably not because the Soviets brought stability and security to the region after the war and any indivdiuals that were perceived as a threat could be liquidated.



Racist joke in 2017? Seriously, why? I can't with some people.