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Are you concerned about privacy issues with these devices?

Yes 33 71.74%
 
No 10 21.74%
 
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archer9234 said:
vivster said:

You don't get what the point of them is?

There is a reason why in every scifi movie everything is automated or voice activated. Because it's convenient. People will get used to it and in 20 years people will wonder why there ever was such a thing as power on buttons. Prices aren't an issue here as soon it will become standard anyway.

You're assuming that the voice reconition software will have a 100% flawless understanding of what the person is saying. Under all cases. Like far way from a mic. Or if music/TV/shower is playing over them. How about during a fire/flood. One bad starting location. The system is disabled. You now have no access to functions. So while someone is trying to call 911. It's not working. Instead of grabing their cell phone. How does it handle multiple users. You have a family of 4. 3 People are talking at the same time. You attempt to order a command. Can the system do that without fail? "Hey, Siri" fucks up a fair bit. So i had to disable it. Burglars would have an easier time breaking into a house. My Internet wires are exposed on a telephone pole behind my apartment. Someone could just cut it. Your house is top of the line. But not the area past those walls.

Second: why isn't this software located in the home. Then just updated by the user. Why does it need to be connected to the internet. There's no space/hardware limit like a Smart Phone. If you had a generator, you could still power the system, if it was selfcontained. I'm not againts smart houses. But it needs to be apart of the home. And not rely on the internet. The internet makes a lot of things better and possible. But not everything needs internet access.

You're citing only extreme scenarios to defeat a technology that's still being developed. By this approach no technology you have today or in the future will hold up. Someone can cut the wires to your home today and you will have no access to 911. Voice recognition will certainly get a lot better and until it's fail safe there will by other technologies to support it. Siri is a simple toy compared to what will be possible in the future.

Nobody is jumping full ham into these new technologies and there will always be a human element in how those things function and how the fail safe mechanisms are implemented. If you only ever see the negative points of a new technology there will never be any progress. But you have to start somewhere and out there are a bunch of people way smarter than us that currently try to figure out all the solutions to your problems. Some technologies will never have a break through but I can tell you with all certainty that smart homes will be an integral part in the future with voice recognition, touch panels and connectivity all around.

The thing with the internet is a bit more complicated. Some things do need internet to function, some don't and some will be enhanced by it. What ultimately ends up connected is what the market will decide. For now companies will try to get as much stuff into the internet as possible strictly for business reasons. Today it's still weird, complicated and has a few caveats but this won't be an issue in the future anymore. Even if devices are not directly connected to the internet they will most likely communicate to something that is. And all applications that don't need the internet to function will have a fallback offline mode.

The fear about everything being connected is absolutely overblown in my preofessional opinion. As long as the internet is working, connected devices won't bother you and if in some case you will be cut off from the internet you will have far bigger problems than your fridge not being able to order new yogurt.

It's important to pose questions to new technologies but you shouldn't do it just for the sake of preventing change. Change will get you sooner or later anyway and no one will force you. It's all about gradual change, but you have to start somewhere.



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vivster said:

You sound like someone in 1900 defending candles against lightbulbs.

You live yourself in a highly automated world and wouldn't want to have it any other way. You really need some self reflection if you truly cannot get that concept. I'll make it easier for you. Just imagine that everything that is wireless today would suddenly become wired again. You'd see that as a hassle too.

It's kinda silly to complain about technological advances and how lazy has everyone become when you yourself live in a world that people just a hundred years ago would call easy life magic. Why do you get delivered food when you could go to the store and buy and prepare it yourself? Why would you go to the store and buy food when you could grow it yourself? You must be an extremely lazy fuck.

You are attacking the strawman here. The improvements on quality of life brought about by new technologies back then was significantly more tangible.

It's fairly easy to illustrate just how much. Imagine you are presented with the option of choosing either: a) you are allowed to use any eletronic technology made until 2007, and you keep running water and indoor toilets; or b) keep your smartphone and iPad, but give up running water and indoor toilets, so you have to haul the water into your dwelling and carry out the waste. So, that's one decade of new products brought about by a competitive economy of 7 billion people versus one single innovation of the late 19th century.

You could make an even more extreme argument here and pit a single innovation of the 19th or early 20th century (electricity, running water, heating etc.) versus giving up any new transportation invented since 1957. Cars and jet planes were just as fast back then - faster, in the case of jet planes - as they are now, and metro and trains existed as well, so, again, it should be simple to pick an option.

So while I do agree that voice recognition, touch panels and connectivity, as you mention it, will on all likehood be a part of houses in the future, it's a much lesser improvement than what we were used to on the past two centuries, and based on such standards, people are thus somewhat justified on calling out that the next big thing isn't that big at all.



 

 

 

 

 

haxxiy said:
vivster said:

You sound like someone in 1900 defending candles against lightbulbs.

You live yourself in a highly automated world and wouldn't want to have it any other way. You really need some self reflection if you truly cannot get that concept. I'll make it easier for you. Just imagine that everything that is wireless today would suddenly become wired again. You'd see that as a hassle too.

It's kinda silly to complain about technological advances and how lazy has everyone become when you yourself live in a world that people just a hundred years ago would call easy life magic. Why do you get delivered food when you could go to the store and buy and prepare it yourself? Why would you go to the store and buy food when you could grow it yourself? You must be an extremely lazy fuck.

You are attacking the strawman here. The improvements on quality of life brought about by new technologies back then was significantly more tangible.

It's fairly easy to illustrate just how much. Imagine you are presented with the option of choosing either: a) you are allowed to use any eletronic technology made until 2007, and you keep running water and indoor toilets; or b) keep your smartphone and iPad, but give up running water and indoor toilets, so you have to haul the water into your dwelling and carry out the waste. So, that's one decade of new products brought about by a competitive economy of 7 billion people versus one single innovation of the late 19th century.

You could make an even more extreme argument here and pit a single innovation of the 19th or early 20th century (electricity, running water, heating etc.) versus giving up any new transportation invented since 1957. Cars and jet planes were just as fast back then - faster, in the case of jet planes - as they are now, and metro and trains existed as well, so, again, it should be simple to pick an option.

So while I do agree that voice recognition, touch panels and connectivity, as you mention it, will on all likehood be a part of houses in the future, it's a much lesser improvement than what we were used to on the past two centuries, and based on such standards, people are thus somewhat justified on calling out that the next big thing isn't that big at all.

You're completely right but you're wrong about what people are saying. They're not saying that it's not a big change, they're completely rejecting the idea as useless or even go as far as attacking people who would like this minor improvement in convenience. Of course some technologies will not have a huge impact but that's not the fact to focus on. It doesn't matter how small the advancement as long as it's overall beneficial.

What I'm seeing is people outright rejecting change in a fit of superiority over "newer generations". People have become the grand parents they said they never would become. "In my time we stood up when we wanted to turn a light on. The lazy kids these days just shout into the room." Sound familiar?

There is no problem in saying that you don't need something in your life but I'm vehemently defending against notions that it's either generally not useful or that people who embrace new technology are somehow stupid. It's grandpa bullshit. Those "concerns" about privacy at this point are just empty fuel against new technology because people don't even know what they're trying to "protect" themselves from.



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I have no issues with insecurity. There are 3 PS4's and an XBO in my house that are always listening. I like the idea of having everything available any time, and having access to resources at the tip of my tongue. I just have absolutely Zero interest in the current devices offering this. I would much rather pay have this feature on one of the consoles already in the house. Ultimately, it would be nice to see these features in the OS on the next PlayStation and Xbox devices, but I could settle for an app on PS4 or XBO.



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vivster said:

There is no problem in saying that you don't need something in your life but I'm vehemently defending against notions that it's either generally not useful or that people who embrace new technology are somehow stupid. It's grandpa bullshit. Those "concerns" about privacy at this point are just empty fuel against new technology because people don't even know what they're trying to "protect" themselves from.

I'd like to argue sometimes companies go too far though.  They remove all mechanical parts that could be beneficial if the electric component breaks. 

Lets take Tesla's Model 3 for example.  I read that it doesn't even have door handles and that the engine starts through an app on your phone.  Let's say your phone dies or the electric handles stop working.  Well if you had a car that had electric and mechanical then you could just open the car door with a key and using a handle.

Does it really make sense to remove all mechanical aspects when in reality they could be very damn useful if the electrical components stop functioning?  Wouldn't you agree that it would be stupid to be locked out of your car because you only have electic locks and no door handles?

 

I'd also like to argue about tracking your driving habits and GPS tracking.  Here are some other links that makes me just want to own a "dumb" car.

https://www.wired.com/2011/09/onstar-tracks-you/

http://blog.caranddriver.com/gms-onstar-go-and-ibms-watson-team-up-to-study-your-habits/

I know I'm just a walking ad to pretty much all companies but there is a point where I say enough is enough.  One reason why I told Facebook to fuck off was after they changed their privacy terms and set everyone to default public sharing even if they had private or friends only.  There was outcry and some people left but in the end most people didn't give a shit.  I gave a shit.  Most of these companies can go fuck themselves.  They are getting too intrusive.



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vivster said:
Yes, I'm deathly afraid that ads will show me what I might actually want instead of random shit.

Meet some one like me.  I can barely watch regular TV because I can't stand ads.  I don't like ads.  I use an ad block.  I don't want to see stupid shit.  That's why I just watch Netflix and Hulu+ (plan without commercials).  Sorry to lose faith in a consumption society.



VitroBahllee said:
Amazon has come out an officially repeated the FACT that these things can't call 911, but these stories persist. A sheriff's office even kept insisting they were called by an Echo: THEY DON'T DO THAT! So: worry about them listening 24/7. I'll worry about credulously believing internet tripe. Was the battered wife's name Alexa or Ok, Google in all these supposed instances? Even if they could call 911, they wouldn't trigger without their key words.

Removed it from the op.  Can you link a phone to an echo for speaker talk?  Because I read that Apple Siri will call the cops but Google voice recognition won't.

"However, according to Amazon, the virtual assistant is not capable of dialing 911. "Alexa calling and messaging does not support 911 calls," a company representative told BuzzFeed News. The phrase "call the sheriff" would not trigger a call to emergency services via Alexa, the representative said. Apple's voice-controlled assistant Siri supports 911 calling via iPhones, whereas the Google Home smart speaker does not."

https://www.buzzfeed.com/ellievhall/alexa-call-911?utm_term=.yl5OrKb0R#.bfLpwanvk

So it could be plausible that perhaps her iphone called the cops which might have been linked to the echo.  So the echo didn't but it still doesn't rule out other devices such as an iphone.



I really don't care about privacy when it comes to these devices.

That said, it would be cool to have them, but I'm unlikely to spend any money on something like that.



My wife doesn't trust the series record option on the pvr to work correctly, doubt she'll ever trust a 'smart' lock on the door. Anyway not for me, I don't have a smartphone either, waste of money.



twintail said:
Honestly dont care about the privacy issue.

will try for a smart flat when i get my own place and not renting. so look forward to seeing what i can use.

Pretty much my views, I don't really have concerns.