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irstupid on 16 August 2017
NoCtiS_NoX said:
h2ohno said:

It isn't 'as of this moment' since the statement was made August 4, 12 days ago.  Even then the PS4 digial sales would have to be massive and the 3DS digital sales practically nonexistant for that to work out.

We still don't have the complete data so I guess your point is moot. Again as of this moment PS4 is still stronger.
We may have the sales for retail but the digital is still unknown. Could be higher could be lower.

Well, using numbers, the 3DS is at 1.56 million and the PS4 is at 1.24 without digital.

That means the PS4 needs 320,000 digital sales to 3DS 0 digital sales to just catch up.

Anyone know what typical digital/physical ratio is? Or not even tpyical, how about very good even. If PS4 is at 1.24, to just catch the 3DS at 1.56 it needs to have a 80:20 ratio, meaning 80% physical and 20% digital. Imo that seems high, but I don't pay attention to dig/phys ratio so maybe its par for the course.

But again, that is ONLY to catch teh 3DS if we consider the 3DS has ZERO digital sales.  If say the 3DS only has a 90:10 ratio, that would mean the PS4 would need nearly a 70:30 ratio to match the sales.

The point of all this: It's highly unlikely the PS4 has sold more than the 3DS version with digital included. Thus the "STRONGER SALES" is PR talk/twist to mean something other than actual sales #'s 1:1



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outlawauron on 16 August 2017
irstupid said:
Ljink96 said:
That's kind of murky...he didn't say in sales figures. Probably in overall profit but I don't think it'll be in copies sold. In the long run, the 3DS version will have longer legs if we're talking copies sold. Profit will naturally be higher with PS4.

No, they would be talking revenue, not profit. Big difference.

Profit would naturally be higher on the 3DS, due to lower development costs. And revenue woudl be naturally higher on PS4, due to higher cost of game at retail.

It's the same game by the same team. Cost doesn't get allocated like that.

(especially considering that it'd be nearly impossible to properly do that since so much of the cost is shared).



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NoCtiS_NoX on 16 August 2017
irstupid said:

Well, using numbers, the 3DS is at 1.56 million and the PS4 is at 1.24 without digital.

That means the PS4 needs 320,000 digital sales to 3DS 0 digital sales to just catch up.

Anyone know what typical digital/physical ratio is? Or not even tpyical, how about very good even. If PS4 is at 1.24, to just catch the 3DS at 1.56 it needs to have a 80:20 ratio, meaning 80% physical and 20% digital. Imo that seems high, but I don't pay attention to dig/phys ratio so maybe its par for the course.

But again, that is ONLY to catch teh 3DS if we consider the 3DS has ZERO digital sales.  If say the 3DS only has a 90:10 ratio, that would mean the PS4 would need nearly a 70:30 ratio to match the sales.

The point of all this: It's highly unlikely the PS4 has sold more than the 3DS version with digital included. Thus the "STRONGER SALES" is PR talk/twist to mean something other than actual sales #'s 1:1

So PS4 is doing stronger than 3DS at the moment given all the factors that we have? Don't you agree?


Maybe I misread everything and also I wasn't able to convey my thought properly but I am not talking about who sold more but given the situation on how PS4 is doing PS4 sales is stronger.



irstupid on 16 August 2017
Ka-pi96 said:
irstupid said:

Well, using numbers, the 3DS is at 1.56 million and the PS4 is at 1.24 without digital.

That means the PS4 needs 320,000 digital sales to 3DS 0 digital sales to just catch up.

Anyone know what typical digital/physical ratio is? Or not even tpyical, how about very good even. If PS4 is at 1.24, to just catch the 3DS at 1.56 it needs to have a 80:20 ratio, meaning 80% physical and 20% digital. Imo that seems high, but I don't pay attention to dig/phys ratio so maybe its par for the course.

But again, that is ONLY to catch teh 3DS if we consider the 3DS has ZERO digital sales.  If say the 3DS only has a 90:10 ratio, that would mean the PS4 would need nearly a 70:30 ratio to match the sales.

The point of all this: It's highly unlikely the PS4 has sold more than the 3DS version with digital included. Thus the "STRONGER SALES" is PR talk/twist to mean something other than actual sales #'s 1:1

20-30% seems to be the typical digital percentage. More towards the top end of that even. That`s worldwide of course (and lifetime sales, while I personally expect digital to have better legs than physical so initial %s would be lower), and Japan supposedly has lower digital sales than the west. 3DS (and Nintendo in general) are also known for lower digital sales too.

30% digital for PS4 and 10% digital for 3DS would certainly put PS4 ahead though. Would put PS4 version at 1,774,657 while the 3DS version would be 1,748,017.

25% for PS4 and 5% for 3DS would also put PS4 ahead. PS4 version would be 1,656,346 while 3DS would be 1,656,016.

So it`s certainly a possibility, although not exactly a strong possibility. More likely that they were referring to it as stronger in terms of revenue rather than unit sales.

Yes, but those are huge gaps. I mean saying basically 5% vs 25% or 10% vs 30% digital. I doubt the disparity is that huge between the two.

But I woudl say their "STRONGER" ccomment is in reference to expectations. The PS4 version is performing stronger than they expected, while the 3DS version is performing weaker than expected.

Regardless of who is beater who though, is the fact that at the moment they are talking about meeting their low end projections. So all in all, DQ11 is underperforming.



irstupid on 16 August 2017
NoCtiS_NoX said:
irstupid said:

Well, using numbers, the 3DS is at 1.56 million and the PS4 is at 1.24 without digital.

That means the PS4 needs 320,000 digital sales to 3DS 0 digital sales to just catch up.

Anyone know what typical digital/physical ratio is? Or not even tpyical, how about very good even. If PS4 is at 1.24, to just catch the 3DS at 1.56 it needs to have a 80:20 ratio, meaning 80% physical and 20% digital. Imo that seems high, but I don't pay attention to dig/phys ratio so maybe its par for the course.

But again, that is ONLY to catch teh 3DS if we consider the 3DS has ZERO digital sales.  If say the 3DS only has a 90:10 ratio, that would mean the PS4 would need nearly a 70:30 ratio to match the sales.

The point of all this: It's highly unlikely the PS4 has sold more than the 3DS version with digital included. Thus the "STRONGER SALES" is PR talk/twist to mean something other than actual sales #'s 1:1

So PS4 is doing stronger than 3DS at the moment given all the factors that we have? Don't you agree?


Maybe I misread everything and also I wasn't able to convey my thought properly but I am not talking about who sold more but given the situation on how PS4 is doing PS4 sales is stronger.

No it is not. Looking at numbers, one would assume that including digital the 3DS is still above PS4. PS4 would need like insane digital numbers to beat the 3DS and its digital.

Without counting digital, the 3DS has a 350k lead. THat means the PS4 needs 350k sales to just match 3DS retail sales. So 350 + whateve 3ds digital sold to equal it.

Do you really think the PS4 sold 350k more digital versions than the 3DS?



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Mystro-Sama on 16 August 2017

Now thats a pleasant surprise.



Kerotan on 16 August 2017
lonerism said:
Why this Alkibiades is always so negative when it comes to Sony and PS4?

Jesus, just stop it. I see you love attention, but it's getting annoying

It's just physics.  "For every action there's an equal but opposite reaction". I believe he's the counter to my positive ps4 posts. 



NoCtiS_NoX on 16 August 2017
irstupid said:
NoCtiS_NoX said:

So PS4 is doing stronger than 3DS at the moment given all the factors that we have? Don't you agree?


Maybe I misread everything and also I wasn't able to convey my thought properly but I am not talking about who sold more but given the situation on how PS4 is doing PS4 sales is stronger.

No it is not. Looking at numbers, one would assume that including digital the 3DS is still above PS4. PS4 would need like insane digital numbers to beat the 3DS and its digital.

Without counting digital, the 3DS has a 350k lead. THat means the PS4 needs 350k sales to just match 3DS retail sales. So 350 + whateve 3ds digital sold to equal it.

Do you really think the PS4 sold 350k more digital versions than the 3DS?

Bold. I am done.



DaveTheMinion13 on 16 August 2017

How do you judge a systems install base like the 3DS? It could have 25 million sales......but majority of them are people who boughy the 2DS, 3DS new 2ds and the new 3DS.....the XL versions



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irstupid on 16 August 2017
DaveTheMinion13 said:
How do you judge a systems install base like the 3DS? It could have 25 million sales......but majority of them are people who boughy the 2DS, 3DS new 2ds and the new 3DS.....the XL versions

You just take the total. Can't do anything other than that.

I mean peopl ehave multiple PS3's. Or the PS2 insane sales that everyone likes to brag about. That system had lots of double dippers for the slim, and/or the horrible reliability and needing to buy a new one, ect.

Ka-pi96 said:
irstupid said:

Yes, but those are huge gaps. I mean saying basically 5% vs 25% or 10% vs 30% digital. I doubt the disparity is that huge between the two.

But I woudl say their "STRONGER" ccomment is in reference to expectations. The PS4 version is performing stronger than they expected, while the 3DS version is performing weaker than expected.

Regardless of who is beater who though, is the fact that at the moment they are talking about meeting their low end projections. So all in all, DQ11 is underperforming.

I don`t think those are that huge, not so sure about PS4 digital sales in Japan but I do remember that Splatoon on Wii U had an absolutely tiny digital percentage, I`d expect that preference for physical games on Nintendo consoles to carry over to 3DS as well so a very low 3DS digital ratio definitely seems possible to me.

If they`re talking in regards to expectations then... they`ve worded it very poorly indeed.

It`s not underperforming either, on target to meet the low end of their expectations still means it`s on target to meet expectations. It would only be underperforming if it was unable to meet expectations. Besides... SE are well known to expect insane sales figures for their games so...

My guess is this is just another Japanese tranlation that isnt' done correctly that is confusing everyone.