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darkenergy on 27 July 2017
Pemalite said:

darkenergy said:

Some sales for Halo 5 were digital, so there isn't really a decline when you consider that and no TMCC sold 3 million plus so it isn't a terrible game.

Are you suggesting that 10+ million copies of Halo 5 were digital?

No I'm only saying it isn't really a decline when you only count physical only while yes Halo 5 didn't sold as much as Halo 3 or 4 in the same time frame but the franchise is still popular and hopefully Halo 6 will have a good campaign like Halo 4 and good multiplayer like Halo 5.

monocle_layton said:
Ganoncrotch said:

Maybe it will come with a breaking plate simulator in 4k? :o the possibilities

And yeah... this E3 started off talking about the GB memory bandwidth of the Xbox 1 X.... absolutely lost the casual gamer from that point forward imo, they just don't have a clue what gamers want or it seems if they do know what gamers want, they're unwilling to change their creed to sell to that customer which is a shame because the X360 was a machine for the gamers really and the X1 just seems to be powered by a corporate meeting rather than anyone with an interest in gaming. The thought that Forza in 4k is going to shift consoles too is just a joke when you think that there is already 5 Forza games on the system, is the 6th one really going to be the turning poing for the machine? is this really expected to be the Breath of the Wild for the system?

Seeing fans act as though Forza is a console-worthy purchase makes me think it's a joke.

 

There is absolutely no way some racing game, regardless of how good it is, will ever have that much power. The Xbox One X's only power is from its sheer specs.

 

It's like having the strongest man in the world be a complete dumbass. Not gonna be doing much with that strength if it can't even use it properly

I think this is where opinions can best described this.



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Ganoncrotch on 27 July 2017
monocle_layton said:
Ganoncrotch said:

Maybe it will come with a breaking plate simulator in 4k? :o the possibilities

And yeah... this E3 started off talking about the GB memory bandwidth of the Xbox 1 X.... absolutely lost the casual gamer from that point forward imo, they just don't have a clue what gamers want or it seems if they do know what gamers want, they're unwilling to change their creed to sell to that customer which is a shame because the X360 was a machine for the gamers really and the X1 just seems to be powered by a corporate meeting rather than anyone with an interest in gaming. The thought that Forza in 4k is going to shift consoles too is just a joke when you think that there is already 5 Forza games on the system, is the 6th one really going to be the turning poing for the machine? is this really expected to be the Breath of the Wild for the system?

Seeing fans act as though Forza is a console-worthy purchase makes me think it's a joke.

 

There is absolutely no way some racing game, regardless of how good it is, will ever have that much power. The Xbox One X's only power is from its sheer specs.

 

It's like having the strongest man in the world be a complete dumbass. Not gonna be doing much with that strength if it can't even use it properly

Europe does enjoy a good racing Sim but the thing is you look at the front page, 25k Xbox's in EU compared to 150k PS4's like... it really is going to take more than a single game to turn the tides here for Microsofts console, when you think of any game regardless of how amazing it is... if you were to say "this game could quadruple the weekly sales of the X1" which would be absolutely unreasonable to ask of any title... even if that did happen it would still be outsold by the PS4 here by 50k.

There's been some rumours and some evidence of MS moving away from the console space in terms of gaming... and really I think this holiday season is going to be really interesting, I can't see Phil letting the division fall into 3rd place, I'm hoping for some really super agressive attempt to do something to win back the average joe soap gamer and if the higher ups at MS really thinks that a console which is double the price of the one they can't sell right now is what will win people over, they're just mad.



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vivster on 27 July 2017
darkenergy said:
Pemalite said:

Are you suggesting that 10+ million copies of Halo 5 were digital?

No I'm only saying it isn't really a decline when you only count physical only while yes Halo 5 didn't sold as much as Halo 3 or 4 in the same time frame but the franchise is still popular and hopefully Halo 6 will have a good campaign like Halo 4 and good multiplayer like Halo 5.

The discussion isn't about if Halo is still popular. It's about if it's popular enough to make the XBOX a success, which it is not. None of MS' current exclusives are, not even combined. So they will have to pull something amazing out of nothing.



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darkenergy on 27 July 2017
Ganoncrotch said:
darkenergy said:

Are you ignoring my other comment? Whatever you say.

Some sales for Halo 5 were digital, so there isn't really a decline when you consider that and no TMCC sold 3 million plus so it isn't a terrible game.

What are you talking about there is nothing wrong with them talking about the GB bandwidth at the start. They only talk about that for only a few minutes then went to the games starting with the Forza Motorsport 7 reveal. The Forza franchise is good there are still people that are going to buy X1 for Forza not to mention there are likely bundles for it (as well as other games to).

Do you really think there is someone who would buy an X1 for Forza... who hasn't already bought the machine?

Sure.... there might be customers who want to buy a console for Forza... but if they haven't bought the system for the first 5 Forza titles on it, what in the world makes you think this 6th Forza game on the X1 will be the one which makes them finally take the leap?

I remember when people said the same thing regarding Halo. They say that the people who bought the X1 console at launch are Halo fans, and they said the same with the Master Chief Collection and Halo 5.



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princevenom on 27 July 2017

xbox x will outsell both ps4 and switch this holiday imo



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darkenergy on 27 July 2017
vivster said:
darkenergy said:

No I'm only saying it isn't really a decline when you only count physical only while yes Halo 5 didn't sold as much as Halo 3 or 4 in the same time frame but the franchise is still popular and hopefully Halo 6 will have a good campaign like Halo 4 and good multiplayer like Halo 5.

The discussion isn't about if Halo is still popular. It's about if it's popular enough to make the XBOX a success, which it is not. None of MS' current exclusives are, not even combined. So they will have to pull something amazing out of nothing.

Xbox One is selling almost on par with the 360 in the same timeframe so I wouldn't say it isn't a success.



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vivster on 27 July 2017
darkenergy said:
vivster said:

The discussion isn't about if Halo is still popular. It's about if it's popular enough to make the XBOX a success, which it is not. None of MS' current exclusives are, not even combined. So they will have to pull something amazing out of nothing.

Xbox One is selling almost on par with the 360 in the same timeframe so I wouldn't say it isn't a success.

Talking about XBox One X. God, what a stupid name. Apparently this thread is about it.

If it sells on par with the 360 I'm looking forward to it reaching 80m.

It won't.



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SegataSanshiro on 27 July 2017
Pemalite said:
SegataSanshiro said:

Did I say PS2 was the weakest no I did not. SNES was weaker than Neo Geo,Jaguar,CDi,3D0 all part of that console generation.

Please quote properly, the entire thing didn't need to be quoted.

The point I was making there is power is not what determines success or failure.

darkenergy said:

Some sales for Halo 5 were digital, so there isn't really a decline when you consider that and no TMCC sold 3 million plus so it isn't a terrible game.

Are you suggesting that 10+ million copies of Halo 5 were digital?

I would except I can't on this site.   Also I never said it does or not. OP did. I'm not OP. I'm just showing often in console history a weaker console wins out. Since you seem to patronize I'm not aknowledging yout posts in this topic towards me anymore.



Turkish on 27 July 2017
niceguygameplayer said:

OK, the Switch has been selling on Amazon at up to $420.  Wow! I can't believe ppl are willing to pay that much for relatively weak technology! But they are in droves. It's been giving PS4 serious competition despite a higher price and low availability. Pretty much everywhere but Europe, where PlayStation always rules. 

Now Xbox One seems done. It is in such bad shape that Switch will likely catch up to it quickly, despite the 3 and a half year release lead. Microsoft seems to have already lost to PS4 and Switch. However, that may not be true. Here is my theory:

Xbox One X could turn things around for Xbox. If ppl are willing to pay over $400 for the low power switch, $500 for the most powerful console ever seems like a no brainer. The only problem is that Xbox has almost no true exclusive games coming. Phil Spencer has made a mess out of Xbox. Only one major exclusive first party game this whole year! That is Halo Wars 2. It has under performed badly though, despite being Halo and having little Xbox competition. Forza is not a huge seller, despite great reviews. Even Gears of War is not doing as well as last generation. 

Microsoft relies too heavily on Forza, Gears, and Halo. They abandoned Fable and Alan Wake, cancelled Scale Bound, and another major game, that escapes me right now. They depend too heavily on 3rd party games, they have few Japanese games, and worst of all, they allow most of their best exclusives to be available on PC too. So how could they turn Xbox One X into a game changer?

Glad you asked! 1. Pay for major exclusives like back in the 360 days. Microsoft is not near broke. They could fund games like Lost Oddysey and Blue Dragon again, get back Call of Duty, and stop putting their games on PC and have true exclusives. They could make back the money and more with the game sales. 2. Invest into first party studios more. Bring back Fable. Make new IP's. Don't let go of talent like Bungie. 3. Make sure that every bit of juice is squeezed out of those 6 teraflops for even 3rd party games. Gradually move away from Xbox One S backwards compatibility. Maybe after one year. Have X exclusives that can take full advantage of it's power. 

Microsoft said they had many more exclusives to announce this year. If they are true exclusives--not timed console exclusives--they would do much better. The timed exclusives are OK, but not big enough to put Xbox back in real competition. What they announce at Gamescom could make or break Xbox. 

To conclude, Switch is selling very well with one teraflop of power and at over $400. Xbox One X is six times more powerful for about a 25% higher price at $500. If they can just bring the exciting, exclusive games, Xbox should be able to sell very well. Crackdown 3 and Sea of Thieves won't be  near enough. Maybe they have some Xbox saving announcements coming at Gamescom. Thanks for reading. 

When did they say this? I feel sorry for you man if you truly are expecting hidden AAA titles to be announced. Of course MS has the funds to give what we want, Lost Odyssey 2, Conker 2 etc, but they dont care about those type of games anymore. Phil Spencer learned about loot boxes, recurring revenue and games as a service model and the dude is pretty excited for it, thats what they'll be doing going forward. He's also on a tight leash by upper management after what the brand has been thru this gen, no more risky projects.



S.T.A.G.E. on 27 July 2017
princevenom said:
xbox x will outsell both ps4 and switch this holiday imo

It will probably win the npd, but I highly doubt that it will win worldwide. America will eat it up, but America will also be eating up the switch and PS4 which are naturally more in demand year round.