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Ka-pi96 said:
LethalP said:

I have a Voodoo 5 1GHz PC with Windows 98 on it, still functioning. I could go and play Half Life 1 on it right now... or I could just play it on Steam on my current PC.

I get it, BC is useless until Sony or Nintendo get on it. But this isn't just about BC, it's about your overall library. And the method MS are using right now will carry over to all future Xbox's (and in their case, probably PC). It's like what Phil Spencer said, a ''Netflix of games''.

I agree MS is a shitstorm when it comes to new games, that's why the title says 'In some ways' rather than 'MS has it ALL right'. They don't, far from it. But 360 BC doesn't just benefit Xbox One, it benefits their online ecosystem in the long run. They are building their own Steam.

Can only hope that won't be the case. Netflix is kind of shit for anything similar to backwards compatibility. They may constantly be adding things, but that's because the licences on old stuff is constantly expiring and that content is being removed.

Except now you're arguing semantics. What he meant was a big online store where you can buy any Xbox game you desire, from any generation. Like Steam for PC games, but you knew that didn't you :P



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See, Sony has a fuck ton of exclusives and options in their console, for me, I want to focus forward, I honestly don't need BC that badly. I want new worlds, new experiences. The classics are great to revisit but I think emulation (on PC) will alleviate that, regardless of how moral it is or isn't.

I'm sure MS didn't do the pseudo-BC to cover their lack of 1st party support, probably more of trying to build good will with the fanbase they themselves tried so hard to push away. I think MS's form of BC is actually a great feature and I applaud them for it, but personally I didn't need it, I have enough current gen games to go through to last me the rest of the gen.



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Ka-pi96 said:
LethalP said:

Except now you're arguing semantics. What he meant was a big online store where you can buy any Xbox game you desire, from any generation. Like Steam for PC games, but you knew that didn't you :P

I know GFWL was supposed to be that too...

I get the whole padding out their ecosystem with more games from a range of generations, but it just seems like a really bad idea to invest in to it though when Microsoft have already proven they aren't good at supporting things for the long term and all signs point to them slowly leaving the market rather than expanding. Even if Sony don't have as much BC support as Xbox they seem like the much safer choice to me. Whatever they do have you know will stay there, there's no such guarantee on MS' side.

What MS did with GFWL is irrelevant, and it wasn't really the same thing. We weren't getting Halo Gears and Forza on GFWL, they are going all the way with UWP. GFWL was bad from the get go, and it didn't really show any real growth as far as the Xbox ecosystem was concerned. Saying all their effort with UWP is worthless because they canned GFWL is completely baseless since they already have a more clear vision for UWP.

MS's decision to take emphasis on traditional exclusives away? I don't support it. However, their mission to bring their library together under one roof? Fantastic. Don't think of it as backwards compatibility, more just being able to buy older games regardless of what platform they were on. Sony should adopt this philosophy because PS's library could literally go toe to toe with Steam. Except instead of putting their shit on PC, have it exclusive to PS hardware. But guess what? AND have the new exclusives, AND have the remake market so things like N Sane Trilogy can still exist.



Its good MS did backwards compatability.
Wish Sony did too, hopefully the PS5 has it.



Weak backwards compatibility and related uncertainty is probably the biggest reason I'm steering further and further away from console gaming and towards PC gaming. I've been more of a PC gamer almost always, but I didn't really have anything against console gaming either. I started to like console gaming less and less during the 7th generation, and now I don't like it very much anymore.



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Old games are amazing  .



Ka-pi96 said:
LethalP said:

What MS did with GFWL is irrelevant, and it wasn't really the same thing. We weren't getting Halo Gears and Forza on GFWL, they are going all the way with UWP. GFWL was bad from the get go, and it didn't really show any real growth as far as the Xbox ecosystem was concerned. Saying all their effort with UWP is worthless because they canned GFWL is completely baseless since they already have a more clear vision for UWP.

MS's decision to take emphasis on traditional exclusives away? I don't support it. However, their mission to bring their library together under one roof? Fantastic. Don't think of it as backwards compatibility, more just being able to buy older games regardless of what platform they were on. Sony should adopt this philosophy because PS's library could literally go toe to toe with Steam. Except instead of putting their shit on PC, have it exclusive to PS hardware. But guess what? AND have the new exclusives, AND have the remake market so things like N Sane Trilogy can still exist.

Halo 2 was on GFWL...

And of course what they did with it is relevant, as is Sony's history of supporting backwards compatibility much better than anybody else so far. I think PS4 backwards compatibility on PS5 is more likely than another Xbox even existing, let alone having backward compatibility.

I see fanboyism is taking presedence here, so I'll put it like this. First of all what's with the vapid semantics? You know what I mean, Xbox are putting their franchises on PC now. I get it, Sony have done BC in the past and that's fantastic. I just think they should follow what MS is doing with their 360 BC to build their PSN library. I think stuff like Sonic 1 2 and 3 should just be ported to PS4 (or x86) natively, as should other 16 bit collections and classic games, but games native to the PS1/2/3 should be emulated. Even if it takes the PS5 to emulate PS3 properly, as long as they preserve their library. I never understood the attitude gamers have on playing old games. It's like do they feel the same about music or movies?

Sometimes it's best to call companies out on stuff, suggest things and they might just happen. In fact, there's a good chance Sony actually have plans to do something along these lines anyway.

 

 

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I think PS5 will have BC, PS3 digital games were not so popular like they are now, I expect a lot of people never bought a retail game digitally on PS3 but did on PS4. I expect that at some point PS3 PSN will go down and all your digital games are gone.






Zkuq said:
Weak backwards compatibility and related uncertainty is probably the biggest reason I'm steering further and further away from console gaming and towards PC gaming. I've been more of a PC gamer almost always, but I didn't really have anything against console gaming either. I started to like console gaming less and less during the 7th generation, and now I don't like it very much anymore.

See to me one of the biggest draws to a platform like Steam is the ability to play a game as old as Half Life 1 and Overwatch under the same service. We don't think of that as backwards compatibility, it's just an old game we can play on any modern PC thanks to Steam. Imagine if PS and Xbox let you do the same but with their library? I could go buy a PS1 game as easily as buying the newest game and it would all be under the PSN service. They would carry over to new PS consoles as they release just like Steam games do on new PC's. That's what I think MS are trying to achieve. Their 360 emulation can only get better as time passes and Xbox consoles become more powerful. It's a long term process and I think MS have it right.



konnichiwa said:
I think PS5 will have BC, PS3 digital games were not so popular like they are now, I expect a lot of people never bought a retail game digitally on PS3 but did on PS4. I expect that at some point PS3 PSN will go down and all your digital games are gone.

You like other people's misfortune ?