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SvennoJ on 25 June 2017
ArchangelMadzz said:
Mr Puggsly said:

But only Driveclub is 30 fps.

Unless you have the VR version which looks worse than 7th gen Forza.

Xbox One X could probaly run driveclub at 4k 60fps. If not native then definitely checkerboard. Forza 7 should really look better than it does when it comes to weather. 

It's a shame Evolution studios never got to make a proper pro patch, both for the normal and VR version. Since the 60fps conversion was already done, it should have been little trouble putting all the detail back and have at least a 1080p60 patch for the pro, perhaps even 1440p60.

Same for GT Sport and Forza 7. If they weren't concentrating on reaching 4K resolution, the detail could be much enhanced for a 1080p60 version and they would have a real chance at improving on DC's dynamic weather and lighting. But oh well, 4k is easier to make and sell. We'll have to wait until next gen for more dynamic racing. This gen feels like a standstill. GT Sport is even regressing when it comes to dynamic lighting and weather.



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ironmanDX on 25 June 2017
LethalP said:
Mr Puggsly said:

But only Driveclub is 30 fps.

Unless you have the VR version which looks worse than 7th gen Forza.

Forza 6 and Forza 7 on X1X or S isn't going to be as graphically advanced as Driveclub because Driveclub doesn't bake any of it's lighting or reflections. It's all calculated and rendered in real time, as well as global illumination. The rain effects you see in DriveClub aren't an artistic direction, but the result of real time lighting and reflections.

Well, lucky for xbox one X owners who get to play both in 4k 60.



LethalP on 25 June 2017
Mr Puggsly said:
LethalP said:

Forza 6 and Forza 7 on X1X or S isn't going to be as graphically advanced as Driveclub because Driveclub doesn't bake any of it's lighting or reflections. It's all calculated and rendered in real time, as well as global illumination. The rain effects you see in DriveClub aren't an artistic direction, but the result of real time lighting and reflections.

Again, its 30 fps and I don't believe the average player really notices these details. I appreciate quality graphics, but I don't know Driveclub is doing all of this until somebody explains it. I say this as a person that owns Driveclub. So it feels like a waste of resources.

In a nutshell, I'll take 60 fps over the advanced lighting of Driveclub. Primarily because the lighting effects in Forza look great as is and 60 fps feels better. It seems GT has a similar philosophy with its PS4 release.

Futhermore, the X1X will primarily allow for better textures, 4K, AA, and higher quality effects in Forza 7. While Driveclub uses more advanced lighting, Forza uses resources elsewhere... like 60 fps.

You can see the difference with Driveclubs lighting straight away. In fact it's like a gen ahead of every other racer this gen.

I'll explain it for you.:

DC: https://assets.vg247.it/current//2015/01/DRIVECLUB%E2%84%A2_20150127235340.jpg

Forza 6: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-2jgjAfEiRpM/VcOsITxZUjI/AAAAAAAAhM8/qdBpZ3__mZ8/s1600/maxresdefault%2B%25281%2529.jpg

Notice how DC's lighting bleeds into the rest of the image like you would see in real life? The ambient light makes a huge difference to realism. Forza has very flat colours in comparison, know what I mean?

But yeah, this is a thread about Forza's visuals so I thought Driveclub would be a good comparison. Forza's great though.



jason1637 on 25 June 2017
CGI-Quality said:
ironmanDX said:

Well, lucky for xbox one X owners who get to play both in 4k 60.

Or PC owners who get to play them both in Ultra Settings + all of that.

Where does that leave the Mac users?



Mr Puggsly on 26 June 2017
LethalP said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Again, its 30 fps and I don't believe the average player really notices these details. I appreciate quality graphics, but I don't know Driveclub is doing all of this until somebody explains it. I say this as a person that owns Driveclub. So it feels like a waste of resources.

In a nutshell, I'll take 60 fps over the advanced lighting of Driveclub. Primarily because the lighting effects in Forza look great as is and 60 fps feels better. It seems GT has a similar philosophy with its PS4 release.

Futhermore, the X1X will primarily allow for better textures, 4K, AA, and higher quality effects in Forza 7. While Driveclub uses more advanced lighting, Forza uses resources elsewhere... like 60 fps.

You can see the difference with Driveclubs lighting straight away. In fact it's like a gen ahead of every other racer this gen.

I'll explain it for you.:

DC: https://assets.vg247.it/current//2015/01/DRIVECLUB%E2%84%A2_20150127235340.jpg

Forza 6: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-2jgjAfEiRpM/VcOsITxZUjI/AAAAAAAAhM8/qdBpZ3__mZ8/s1600/maxresdefault%2B%25281%2529.jpg

Notice how DC's lighting bleeds into the rest of the image like you would see in real life? The ambient light makes a huge difference to realism. Forza has very flat colours in comparison, know what I mean?

But yeah, this is a thread about Forza's visuals so I thought Driveclub would be a good comparison. Forza's great though.

To be fair, that Forza 6 picture you picked is very bland. The rain footage in the OP looks better.

But again, when I'm playing these games I don't really notice the lighting for very long. Driveclub has better lighting but Forza still looks really good. The 60 fps with a great presentation of Forza though, that's more significant.

If Forza targetted 30 fps that would leave a lot of room for more detail, better lighting, etc. Its amazing the X1 accomplishes with the specs it has.



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vivster on 26 June 2017
jason1637 said:
Captain_Yuri said:

Real life has no water reflections

1/10

I think real life is running on the lowest settings. Might need to crank it up to high to get water reflections.

Only so that it starts to stutter? No thanks.



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vivster on 26 June 2017
jason1637 said:
CGI-Quality said:

Or PC owners who get to play them both in Ultra Settings + all of that.

Where does that leave the Mac users?

In Photoshop, where they belong.



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Angelus on 26 June 2017

If you're gonna make a comparison like this, at least turn off the damn driving line........fucking amateur



Pemalite on 26 June 2017
GribbleGrunger said:
Resolution isn't what makes things look 'real'. Ask Evolution.

Resolution does allow you to resolve more details though.

jason1637 said:
CGI-Quality said:

Or PC owners who get to play them both in Ultra Settings + all of that.

Where does that leave the Mac users?

Bootcamp running Windows Games.



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Mummelmann on 26 June 2017

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