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outlawauron said:
vivster said:

Of course it is. All the jobs would go to illegal immigrants. Or do you think someone who would outsource an entire factory wouldn't take advantage of a much cheaper work force within the US? That's why they're building the wall, right?

But the jobs in a car factory are high skill positions. These typically don't go to illegal immigrants. Immigrants do fill these positions, but through H1B1 visas, etc.

The wall is more about keeping as much of the drug cartel contained as possible. The hundreds of millions worth of hard drugs being smuggled in is the ultimate need that needs to stopped. It empowers the groups selling them to be able to purchase weapons and more product.

The Wall was never intended nor could it achieve this. To imagine a Wall would achieve anything wrt the war on drugs is pure fantasy. For as long as people in the USA want to take drugs, there will be ways found to bring the drugs in.



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binary solo said:
They probably sell more Ford Foci outside of the states anyway. Probably saves distribution costs as well as labour costs.

Yeah both the Focus and the Fiesta don't sell that much in the US.  The Focus gets easily outsold in the US by the Toyota Corolla, Hyundai Accent and Honda Civic.  The VW Jetta might even sell as much.  Heck where I live I see more Mazda 3's then Focus's and Mazda has less then a 2 percent market share in the US overall.  The North American Escort was the last time Ford had a small car that sold well in the US ironically the Escort is currently available in the Chinese market.



Soundwave said:
outlawauron said:

But the jobs in a car factory are high skill positions. These typically don't go to illegal immigrants. Immigrants do fill these positions, but through H1B1 visas, etc.

The wall is more about keeping as much of the drug cartel contained as possible. The hundreds of millions worth of hard drugs being smuggled in is the ultimate need that needs to stopped. It empowers the groups selling them to be able to purchase weapons and more product.

The Wall is about Trump feeding red meat to the racist part of his base that he knows he's needs to keep happy. Mexicans are the perfect scapegoat, Muslims would be better but gosh darn it there's just not enough of them in the US to pick on, so Mexicans who clean shit-stained toilets and hotel cum-stained bedsheets and pick fruit in the scorching sun for 12 hours a day are the scape goat for America's problems. 

If he was interested in combating the drug war in a real way, go push for legal marijuana, but of course you don't see Trump doing that. He gives no shit about the actual drug cartels. 

Pushing for legal marijuana will not impact the amount of drugs brought in through Mexico nor will it have any affect the activity of said cartels in the US. I'm not even really for the wall, but saying wall is racist is a bit disingenious. 



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outlawauron said:
Soundwave said:

The Wall is about Trump feeding red meat to the racist part of his base that he knows he's needs to keep happy. Mexicans are the perfect scapegoat, Muslims would be better but gosh darn it there's just not enough of them in the US to pick on, so Mexicans who clean shit-stained toilets and hotel cum-stained bedsheets and pick fruit in the scorching sun for 12 hours a day are the scape goat for America's problems. 

If he was interested in combating the drug war in a real way, go push for legal marijuana, but of course you don't see Trump doing that. He gives no shit about the actual drug cartels. 

Pushing for legal marijuana will impact the amount of drugs brought in through Mexico nor will it have any affect the activity of said cartels in the US. I'm not even really for the wall, but saying wall is racist is a bit disingenious. 

The wall isn't, the policy behind it is to court racists as a voting block.  It's the signature issue that spurred Trump's candidacy, he's a snake oil salesman/reality TV star, he knew pushing that button would get him lots of attention. 



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outlawauron said:
Soundwave said:

The Wall is about Trump feeding red meat to the racist part of his base that he knows he's needs to keep happy. Mexicans are the perfect scapegoat, Muslims would be better but gosh darn it there's just not enough of them in the US to pick on, so Mexicans who clean shit-stained toilets and hotel cum-stained bedsheets and pick fruit in the scorching sun for 12 hours a day are the scape goat for America's problems. 

If he was interested in combating the drug war in a real way, go push for legal marijuana, but of course you don't see Trump doing that. He gives no shit about the actual drug cartels. 

Pushing for legal marijuana will impact the amount of drugs brought in through Mexico nor will it have any affect the activity of said cartels in the US. I'm not even really for the wall, but saying wall is racist is a bit disingenious. 

Exactly. That and Americans abuse legal drugs even moreso than illegal drugs these days. 



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Soundwave said:
Superman4 said:

Building the wall is about securing the border, it isnt about keeping out Mexicans. The border between Mexico and the US is a major crossing point for people originating from Mexico and other countries as well.

It's a selling tool. Trump knows the audience he's selling to and a big part of that audience wants to blame Mexicans for everything when in reality they are one of the least of the problems the US has. The audience he has wants to pick on and scape goat a particular group for their problems while they're too dumb to realize they're agreeing to tax plans that will benefit the ultra-rich instead of them, but hey ... we stuck it to that Mexican who's just willing to break his back and work 12 hours a day so we can have cheap produce at the grocery store. 

First of all not all illegals are hardworking, second I don’t care how much work you do if you are not here legally and abiding by our labor laws then you are hurting the American Economy not helping it. You are forcing wages down in the sector you are working and taking jobs away from Americans. Contrary to the BS statement of "Americans won’t do the work", they actually will if those positions pay a fair wage and provide health care since it is now mandatory for all US citizens. The issue is the employers see a way out of paying workers comp insurance, unemployment, benefits etc. not to mention not being required to follow labor laws for working hours and pay.  The wall is a deterrent which will do just that. It is not some impenetrable force field that will stop anything and everything but it will make it a lot harder if not impossible for a large number of individuals.



Hiku said:
barneystinson69 said:

So a few private corporations now dictate an entire country? 

I quoted them because they mentioned the bolded part, as one of the reasons USA handed over a big advantage to China.

But then let me get back to my original point, what part of the deal makes the US more competitive? Because what I am hearing is a bit of bullshit from a few people. 



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Hiku said:
barneystinson69 said:

But then let me get back to my original point, what part of the deal makes the US more competitive? Because what I am hearing is a bit of bullshit from a few people. 

Here's how companies like Microsoft, Apple, Google, etc, worded it in their joint letter to Trump:

Climate change presents both business risks and business opportunities. Continued U.S. participation in the agreement benefits U.S. businesses and the U.S. economy in many ways:

  • Strengthening Competitiveness: By requiring action by developed and developing countries alike, the agreement ensures a more balanced global effort, reducing the risk of competitive imbalances for U.S. companies.
  • Creating Jobs, Markets and Growth: By expanding markets for innovative clean technologies, the agreement generates jobs and economic growth. U.S. companies are well positioned to lead in these markets. Withdrawing from the agreement will limit our access to them and could expose us to retaliatory measures.
  • Reducing Business Risks: By strengthening global action over time, the agreement will reduce future climate impacts, including damage to business facilities and operations, declining agricultural productivity and water supplies, and disruption of global supply chains.

As businesses concerned with the well-being of our customers, our investors, our communities, and our suppliers, we are strengthening our climate resilience, and we are investing in innovative technologies that can help achieve a clean energy transition. For this transition to succeed, however, governments must lead as well.

U.S. business is best served by a stable and practical framework facilitating an effective and balanced global response. The Paris Agreement provides such a framework. As other countries invest in advanced technologies and move forward with the Paris Agreement, we believe the United States can best exercise global leadership and advance U.S. interests by remaining a full partner in this vital global effort.

"US Companies". So not the US itself, but companies? "Exercise global leadership?" These words are very empty and extremely vague. I was asking how this will benefit people economically. Realistically, the climate deal cannot reach its carbon targets in time. Here in Canada, Trudeau wants to introduce a carbon tax so as to help with this. Of course it won't work, but it will cost the average joe more money for everything. The 2 degree mark will be passed whether we like it or not. If you want to help, stop using heat, your AC, your car, stop buying all groceries at super markets (shipping produces lots of Carbon), stop using your TV and internet, ect. Also, stop buying beef, because cows produce lots of methane and require lots of crops to be fed. No one will be willing to give up all of this, so yeah, good luck!

Like I said, the US can invest in green energy without a climate deal which forces 1st world nations to give cash to 3rd world nations (and how can we say with confidence that money won't go to the top where it is never actually spent properly).



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