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I decided to return the game. After playing for a few hours, gotta admit that I'm glad they changed the series



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monocle_layton said:
I decided to return the game. After playing for a few hours, gotta admit that I'm glad they changed the series

What's wrong with it, Layton?  I'm very wait and see right now so this thread is quite helpful.



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Well, I've gotten through the 1st Act so far, and I gotta say I'm really loving this one. It's quite different from other FE games, but I like that about it. There's more to the gameplay than just battles followed by stories. Exploring dungeons, finding treasures, fighting small groups or enemies, talking to villagers and examining areas are all things I find rather enjoying. Starting the game, I felt like I was playing the investigation sections of an Ace Attorney game, which was pretty funny. Managing various items I've found to be interesting too. Weapons and other gear also have special skills to learn the more you use it, making for some new, interesting abilities. The characters are overall fun to learn about, which is made even better with rather great voice acting (minus Faye, who is just... a terrible human being, despite having a cute design).

I feel I can go on about all these tweaks to the game that just make it feel so fresh, especially for me, who's played all the western released FE games and Roy's game (except the Shadow Dragon remake. It looked terrible to me). If you like Fire Emblem, I would definitely recommend trying this one. Not only is it fun, but quite a nice new feel to it.



 

              

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Mar1217 said:
Cloudman said:
Well, I've gotten through the 1st Act so far, and I gotta say I'm really loving this one. It's quite different from other FE games, but I like that about it. There's more to the gameplay than just battles followed by stories. Exploring dungeons, finding treasures, fighting small groups or enemies, talking to villagers and examining areas are all things I find rather enjoying. Starting the game, I felt like I was playing the investigation sections of an Ace Attorney game, which was pretty funny. Managing various items I've found to be interesting too. Weapons and other gear also have special skills to learn the more you use it, making for some new, interesting abilities. The characters are overall fun to learn about, which is made even better with rather great voice acting (minus Faye, who is just... a terrible human being, despite having a cute design).

I feel I can go on about all these tweaks to the game that just make it feel so fresh, especially for me, who's played all the western released FE games and Roy's game (except the Shadow Dragon remake. It looked terrible to me). If you like Fire Emblem, I would definitely recommend trying this one. Not only is it fun, but quite a nice new feel to it.

Did you got the support conversation between her and Silque ?

Ugh, it only made me see even more how awful she is. Unless the A rank changes anything, Faye will go down as one of the worst characters in the series. She could be removed and nothing would change. Things may have been better even.



 

              

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spemanig said:
This will likely be my first fire emblem.

I wouldn't recommend it as your first entry.



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outlawauron said:
spemanig said:
This will likely be my first fire emblem.

I wouldn't recommend it as your first entry.

Why not?

The biggest reason this looks better is because it is fully voice acted and doesn't have the dating sim elements. Also, I hear the story is better than the last two games, which wouldn't surprise me if the focus is different.

In other words, the biggest reason I'm interested in this is because it's not like the other 3DS games, but still is modern.



Mar1217 said:
Cloudman said:

Ugh, it only made me see even more how awful she is. Unless the A rank changes anything, Faye will go down as one of the worst characters in the series. She could be removed and nothing would change. Things may have been better even.

Let's just say, she's more self-aware than you might think 

I'm not sure what you mean...

 

 

spemanig said:
outlawauron said:

I wouldn't recommend it as your first entry.

Why not?

The biggest reason this looks better is because it is fully voice acted and doesn't have the dating sim elements. Also, I hear the story is better than the last two games, which wouldn't surprise me if the focus is different.

In other words, the biggest reason I'm interested in this is because it's not like the other 3DS games, but still is modern.

I'd say I actually with outlaw, but only if you're interested in trying other FE games, as this one throws out all the natural conventions of a usual game in the series, so playing another one after this one would need some relearning of some mechanics. The game on its own though is pretty great, so if you don't mind it being largely different, I'd say go for it.



 

              

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Cloudman said:

I'd say I actually with outlaw, but only if you're interested in trying other FE games, as this one throws out all the natural conventions of a usual game in the series, so playing another one after this one would need some relearning of some mechanics. The game on its own though is pretty great, so if you don't mind it being largely different, I'd say go for it.

Yeah, I mean I feel like that's not much different than playing any old game first. Like I wouldn't tell someone not to play Pokemon Red as their first Pokemon just because newer games have newer mechanics. I feel like I'd be relearning as much later as I will here, so that doesn't bother me.



RolStoppable said:

"Dating sim elements" are present in this game too. There aren't anywhere close to as many support conversations as in Awakening and Fates, but they are there nonetheless and love is a common topic.

To be honest, I never got the "dating sim" complaint to begin with. Romance and pairings has been part of the franchise for a while, the only change was the addition of an avatar and ability to have children. Considering the avatar is essentially his own character rather than a literal avatar, and the romance/children aspect was completely optional to begin with, I can't understand why the aspect is such a turn-off. Might as well avoid the games due to the ability to play on Casual mode while we're at it.

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So far, my impression is that, while the story is a huge improvement over the last two entries, the gameplay is very clearly a slight revamp of an NES game. So far I can deal with it, and definitely enjoy certain parts of it, but the strategy gameplay alone feels like a step back from Fates/Awakening. I still haven't reached a point where the grinding has bothered me at least.

Oh, and because I don't think it gets brought up enough...the dubbing in this is fantastic. And this is coming from someone who usually loathes English dubs.



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RolStoppable said:
spemanig said:

Why not?

The biggest reason this looks better is because it is fully voice acted and doesn't have the dating sim elements. Also, I hear the story is better than the last two games, which wouldn't surprise me if the focus is different.

In other words, the biggest reason I'm interested in this is because it's not like the other 3DS games, but still is modern.

"Dating sim elements" are present in this game too. There aren't anywhere close to as many support conversations as in Awakening and Fates, but they are there nonetheless and love is a common topic.

And no, this game isn't modern. There's no weapon triangle, characters can only carry one item, EXP is handed out like in a game from the stone age, the win condition is always the same, command options are limited. This is easily the worst Fire Emblem game released in the West. I've played 20 hours and don't want to continue anymore. The story and presentation can't carry this letdown. As it stands, I wouldn't even recommend it to Fire Emblem fans.

When I say modern, I mean isn't 8 Bit.

Hardcore oldschool FE fans I've talked with love it compared to the newer games, considering it the best of the 3DS era, so I'll take my chances. As for the dating sim elements, I'm mostly talking about the marriage thing. Not my thing.