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Forums - Politics Discussion - Donald Trump's Financial Ties to Russian Oligarchs Exposed Documentary 2017

GProgrammer said:
vivster said:

How could they be released when they'restill audited? Geez.

An audit does not stop a person from release their tax returns,

What's particularly disconcerting is that Trump is the ONLY person saying that he can't release them, while under audit.



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naruball said:
Zkuq said:

Asking people to watch an 80-minute video just to be able to discuss its credibility is just stupid. That's kind of like saying you can't say drugs are bad without trying them first. You can make fairly reasonable assumptions about a video like this even without watching it. They might not be correct, but there's a good chance they are.

Well, that's certainly one way to live your life. "I have no idea what I'm talking about, but I'm talking because reasons".

So which one it is: You've tried drugs, or you don't know if they're bad because you haven't tried them?



vivster said:
Kirin_gaming said:

Well, he gets attacked by people that I just don't trust which makes me believe that he is doing something positive.I do agree though that he makes many shady moves, which is why I didn't like him at first.When it comes to Russia though I don't see his involvement with them as something negative, but I can't really get into that topic without sounding like a guy whose whole house is covered in tinfoil wrap.   :P

So what if you're presented with evidence that the people you don't trust are telling the truth and the guy who does shady things, yet you still trust for some reason, is lying with every second sentence he speaks?

Well, if he really is a crook and is screwing up the country I would love to be shown conclusive proof of that, I wouldn't care where it comes from as long as it is real information, I don't care about his relation with Russia though.At this point in time,  I don't trust the big media anymore, they have completely exhausted the trust I had for them.





It's a fact that he's had financial ties to russia, the main thing is if he still does. 



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Hillary investigation finds nothing. 'What? corrupt, they paid it off she's crooked killary'

Trump investigation so far hasn't found enough. 'Keep looking, we know it's there!'


Both political sides can be pretty ridiculous, I'd like to get a conclusive answer on Trump/Russia ties though.



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deskpro2k3 said:
Kirin_gaming said:

I don't think I will ever be able to understand the thought process of liberals.

Honestly...I shouldn't be able to agree with conservatives as often as I do.I care a lot about the environment, I hate religious zealots, I even used to be in the country illegally and I am close to many people in that situation.I just should not agree with the right as often as I do, and yet most of the time I end up siding with them, they just make much more sense to me.I mean I didn't even like president Trump but him constantly being attacked by pretty much everyone makes me believe that the must be doing something right.

 

Kirin_gaming said:

Well, he gets attacked by people that I just don't trust which makes me believe that he is doing something positive.I do agree though that he makes many shady moves, which is why I didn't like him at first.When it comes to Russia though I don't see his involvement with them as something negative, but I can't really get into that topic without sounding like a guy whose whole house is covered in tinfoil wrap.   :P

 

Can you be more specific, what is this "something" he is doing right?

To be brief, I think he is bringing disruptive change into our political climate, which is something that was desperately needed.I try to be cordial and respectful towards strangers in my everyday life, but what SJW are doing in Universities, the how many genders they've created, Antifa, BLM, their decision to ignore the negative aspects of illegal and Muslim immigration instead of actively working to get rid of the fringe individuals in those groups, 3rd wave feminism, all of that is fucking nuts plain and simple, and they are affecting the life of Americans.Trump was the catalyst that propelled many of the groups that were against all that, plus the guy is moving the right towards the left on some social issues, shouldn't that at least be something to celebrate.



Kirin_gaming said:
deskpro2k3 said:

Can you be more specific, what is this "something" he is doing right?

To be brief, I think he is bringing disruptive change into our political climate, which is something that was desperately needed.I try to be cordial and respectful towards strangers in my everyday life, but what SJW are doing in Universities, the how many genders they've created, Antifa, BLM, their decision to ignore the negative aspects of illegal and Muslim immigration instead of actively working to get rid of the fringe individuals in those groups, 3rd wave feminism, all of that is fucking nuts plain and simple, and they are affecting the life of Americans.Trump was the catalyst that propelled many of the groups that were against all that, plus the guy is moving the right towards the left on some social issues, shouldn't that at least be something to celebrate.

 

I'll try to be respectful.. First let me hit you with some knowledge:

There wouldn't be a BLM, or Antifa, if there wasn't Alt-Right, Confederates, KKK, and other hate groups that was propelled even more by Trump, and bills that suppresses women rights to choose. Oh and by the way, Caitlyn jenner is a Republican that voted for Trump, and is a transgender.  Now don't tell me "SJW" has something to do with that..

Every terror attack that happened after 9/11, was done by American citizens. None of them were immigrants, or illegals.

These "disruptive change" that is "desperately needed"

  • Reverses the Clean Power Plan.
  • Heightened nuclear tensions in Asia.
  • Relationship with Russia even more complicated.
  • Contradicting himself.
  • Reverses the bill protecting waterways from coal mining waste.
  • Travel ban (This effects even American citizens living aboard)
  • Replace ACA (Tax break benefitting the Rich)
  • Future of free trade uncertain.
  • Trump's cabinet is tasked with jobs they have no experience in.
  • Relations to other countries did not get off to a good start after the Trump presidency began.

All this in just 100 days. Disruptive yes, Corruptive yes.. This is the shit you want to celebrate about?



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deskpro2k3 said:
Kirin_gaming said:

To be brief, I think he is bringing disruptive change into our political climate, which is something that was desperately needed.I try to be cordial and respectful towards strangers in my everyday life, but what SJW are doing in Universities, the how many genders they've created, Antifa, BLM, their decision to ignore the negative aspects of illegal and Muslim immigration instead of actively working to get rid of the fringe individuals in those groups, 3rd wave feminism, all of that is fucking nuts plain and simple, and they are affecting the life of Americans.Trump was the catalyst that propelled many of the groups that were against all that, plus the guy is moving the right towards the left on some social issues, shouldn't that at least be something to celebrate.

 

I'll try to be respectful.. First let me hit you with some knowledge:

There wouldn't be a BLM, or Antifa, if there wasn't Alt-Right, Confederates, KKK, and other hate groups that was propelled even more by Trump, and bills that suppresses women rights to choose. Oh and by the way, Caitlyn jenner is a Republican that voted for Trump, and is a transgender.  Now don't tell me "SJW" has something to do with that..

What has the Alt-right ever done other than posting green frogs throughout the internet and wanting to have an Ethnostate(which they will never get.)Confederates, what is so wrong about them supporting state rights? KKK again what have they done recently when was the last time they lynched someone?Seriously I am not trying to prove a point, but BLM and Antifa have repeatedly vandalised places, while those three other groups only have ideas that aren't considered "correct"

I agree that women should be able to decide whether to give birth or not, but so should the father.Don't you think that such an important decision shouldn't be so heavily skewed towards women?3rd wave feminism's main focus is to give women advantages, but they mask it as equality.

I can't find any correlation about Caitlyn Jenner with my comment.

 

Every terror attack that happened after 9/11, was done by American citizens. None of them were immigrants, or illegals.

That is true.Most of them caused by religious nuts that want eradicate infidels, but you have to have a certain deranged mindset in order to commit a terror attack, so that issue most likely rests on mental issues combined with radical thoughts.What I was trying to get at is that the left more often than not chooses to ignore that there exist violent illegal aliens and Muslim terrorists, and they try to hide it for as long as they can, instead of encouraging people in those groups to get rid of such individuals.Not counting the negative effect they have on a welfare state.

 

These "disruptive change" that is "desperately needed"

  • Reverses the Clean Power Plan.

Like I said before until scientists know with certainty what is happening with our global climate, I will continue to believe that there exists the possibility they are pushing clean energy and putting restrictions on fossil fuels for political reasons.

  • Heightened nuclear tensions in Asia.

North Korea? Those nuts have been going at it for years, plus I believe there are other explanations for that, but they require long explanations and can be refuted by someone that isn't willing to listen with "conspiracy theorist."

  • Relationship with Russia even more complicated.

How is this the president's fault?He has been trying since day one to improve the relationship with them, maybe if people stopped calling them hackers and stopped putting embargos on them they would like Europe and the U.S better.

  • Contradicting himself.

I fail to see how that is negatively affecting the country.

  • Reverses the bill protecting waterways from coal mining waste.

The only thing that bill tried to prevent was acid mine runoffs.Even with that bill in place mining waste was still being dumped in streams were acid mine runoff isn't generated, we still have Federal, State and Local regulation that prevents such hazards from happening, and honestly, it is better this way, this kind of regulations should be placed by State and Local governments.

  • Travel ban (This effects even American citizens living aboard)

You mean affected, it was quickly repealed, and even the revised travel ban still isn't in place.

  • Replace ACA (Tax break benefitting the Rich)

ACA had to go, I am not happy with what they put in place though.

  • Future of free trade uncertain.

There shouldn't be free trade, there should be fair trade.

  • Trump's cabinet is tasked with jobs they have no experience in.

How so? and even if they weren't experienced they are all extremely smart people, I'm sure they've adapted by now.

  • Relations to other countries did not get off to a good start after the Trump presidency began.

I personally don't care that much what most world leaders think.Even if they don't like Trump, they still have to work with him, so it really is a non-issue.

All this in just 100 days. Disruptive yes, Corruptive yes.. This is the shit you want to celebrate about?

Well considering the left said we would be living in huts by now, I am pretty happy with the results so far.

I have yet to see any conclusive proof of corruption, and I didn't say people should celebrate his administration but the fact that he is moving the right towards the left on some social issues.

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ArchangelMadzz said:
Hillary investigation finds nothing. 'What? corrupt, they paid it off she's crooked killary'

Trump investigation so far hasn't found enough. 'Keep looking, we know it's there!'


Both political sides can be pretty ridiculous, I'd like to get a conclusive answer on Trump/Russia ties though.

The problem is that you can barely finish explaining that thought to either camp without them losing their sh*t on you.