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Kirin_gaming on 17 May 2017

L0L good one.That actually used to be a running joke between my group of friends.We still sometimes use it to this day, it never gets old.

About your second sentence...I do care about the environment I've been driving a Model S since 2014, my house runs on mostly solar energy, thanks to master switches that I specifically installed in many of my house's rooms to save energy, and I will install solar shingles soon, which will make my house completely solar powered.Right now though, I am just worried about maintaining air and water quality, until scientists are able to assess with complete certainty what really is going on with our global climate.Remember when the world was supposed to experience another ice age? Why did it suddenly change to global warming?We both have to admit there is a lot of money involved in this topic, and where there are tonnes of money there is corruption.There at least exists the possibility that scientists are manipulating data to make renewable energy more desirable, since it still isn't cost effective compared to petroleum.

Anyways if democrats really cared about the environment they would be pushing for nuclear, considering the strides that have been made in that field, we should be running on nuclear until green energy is cost effective.



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Kirin_gaming on 17 May 2017
naruball said:
Kirin_gaming said:

I don't think I will ever be able to understand the thought process of liberals.

Honestly...I shouldn't be able to agree with conservatives as often as I do.I care a lot about the environment, I hate religious zealots, I even used to be in the country illegally and I am close to many people in that situation.I just should not agree with the right as often as I do, and yet most of the time I end up siding with them, they just make much more sense to me.I mean I didn't even like president Trump but him constantly being attacked by pretty much everyone makes me believe that the must be doing something right.

Yup. That's certainly the only explanation possible. Speaking of not understanding the thought process of someone...

Well, he gets attacked by people that I just don't trust which makes me believe that he is doing something positive.I do agree though that he makes many shady moves, which is why I didn't like him at first.When it comes to Russia though I don't see his involvement with them as something negative, but I can't really get into that topic without sounding like a guy whose whole house is covered in tinfoil wrap.   :P



m0ney on 17 May 2017

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vivster on 17 May 2017
Kirin_gaming said:
naruball said:

Yup. That's certainly the only explanation possible. Speaking of not understanding the thought process of someone...

Well, he gets attacked by people that I just don't trust which makes me believe that he is doing something positive.I do agree though that he makes many shady moves, which is why I didn't like him at first.When it comes to Russia though I don't see his involvement with them as something negative, but I can't really get into that topic without sounding like a guy whose whole house is covered in tinfoil wrap.   :P

So what if you're presented with evidence that the people you don't trust are telling the truth and the guy who does shady things, yet you still trust for some reason, is lying with every second sentence he speaks?



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Final-Fan on 17 May 2017
NightDragon83 said:
Trump's tax returns / finances are to Democrats what Obama's birth certificate was to the Republicans... a crazed obsession that is without merit and will only come back to bite them in the ass. Just let this Russian conspiracy stuff die already, you've got more than enough ammo to go after Trump with based just on his actions over the past couple of weeks alone. By continuing to push the "Russians stole the election and Trump is Putin's stooge!" meme, you're only obfuscating the more pressing and critical issues at hand.

There are plenty of reasons I could dispute your claim, but let's go with the most obvious one:  Obama released his birth certificate and the birthers refused to accept it.  Trump hasn't released his tax returns. 



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deskpro2k3 on 17 May 2017
Kirin_gaming said:

I don't think I will ever be able to understand the thought process of liberals.

Honestly...I shouldn't be able to agree with conservatives as often as I do.I care a lot about the environment, I hate religious zealots, I even used to be in the country illegally and I am close to many people in that situation.I just should not agree with the right as often as I do, and yet most of the time I end up siding with them, they just make much more sense to me.I mean I didn't even like president Trump but him constantly being attacked by pretty much everyone makes me believe that the must be doing something right.

 

Kirin_gaming said:
 

Well, he gets attacked by people that I just don't trust which makes me believe that he is doing something positive.I do agree though that he makes many shady moves, which is why I didn't like him at first.When it comes to Russia though I don't see his involvement with them as something negative, but I can't really get into that topic without sounding like a guy whose whole house is covered in tinfoil wrap.   :P

 

Can you be more specific, what is this "something" he is doing right?



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vivster on 17 May 2017
Final-Fan said:
NightDragon83 said:
Trump's tax returns / finances are to Democrats what Obama's birth certificate was to the Republicans... a crazed obsession that is without merit and will only come back to bite them in the ass. Just let this Russian conspiracy stuff die already, you've got more than enough ammo to go after Trump with based just on his actions over the past couple of weeks alone. By continuing to push the "Russians stole the election and Trump is Putin's stooge!" meme, you're only obfuscating the more pressing and critical issues at hand.

There are plenty of reasons I could dispute your claim, but let's go with the most obvious one:  Obama released his birth certificate and the birthers refused to accept it.  Trump hasn't released his tax returns. 

How could they be released when they're still audited? Geez.



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Astrid on 17 May 2017
vivster said:
Yeah sure. THIS unsourced youtube video will start the investigation, nothing else.

Zembla is a well respected news show here in my country (the Netherlands)
They check and double check.
To dismise this as unimportaint news is too easy.
There is a dutch connection between the ties of Trump and his people and the russians.
Thats is I think, the main reson they investigated this, because of the dutch connection.



GProgrammer on 17 May 2017
vivster said:
Final-Fan said:

There are plenty of reasons I could dispute your claim, but let's go with the most obvious one:  Obama released his birth certificate and the birthers refused to accept it.  Trump hasn't released his tax returns. 

How could they be released when they'restill audited? Geez.

An audit does not stop a person from release their tax returns,



Insidb on 17 May 2017
vivster said:
Kirin_gaming said:

Well, he gets attacked by people that I just don't trust which makes me believe that he is doing something positive.I do agree though that he makes many shady moves, which is why I didn't like him at first.When it comes to Russia though I don't see his involvement with them as something negative, but I can't really get into that topic without sounding like a guy whose whole house is covered in tinfoil wrap.   :P

So what if you're presented with evidence that the people you don't trust are telling the truth and the guy who does shady things, yet you still trust for some reason, is lying with every second sentence he speaks?

A: What about the first sentence, though!?