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Nintendo's install base shrunk from 250 million in Gen 7 to ~80 million in Gen 8

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zorg1000 said:
Turkish said:

80 million wouldn't have been a growth but stagnation over last gen.

The same can be said for Sony & Microsoft.

PS2 sold 157 million & PS3+PSP sold about 165 million. PS4+Vita will not match either of those.

Xbox 360 sold 85 million and Xbox One will not match that.

Why are you combining the PS3 and the PSP, as well as the PS4 and the Vita?



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potato_hamster said:
zorg1000 said:

The same can be said for Sony & Microsoft.

PS2 sold 157 million & PS3+PSP sold about 165 million. PS4+Vita will not match either of those.

Xbox 360 sold 85 million and Xbox One will not match that.

Why are you combining the PS3 and the PSP, as well as the PS4 and the Vita?

Because the 80 million figure for Nintendo comes from combining 3DS and Wii U.



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potato_hamster said:
zorg1000 said:

The same can be said for Sony & Microsoft.

PS2 sold 157 million & PS3+PSP sold about 165 million. PS4+Vita will not match either of those.

Xbox 360 sold 85 million and Xbox One will not match that.

Why are you combining the PS3 and the PSP, as well as the PS4 and the Vita?

why is the OP combining Wii and DS, as well as Wii U and 3DS?



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zorg1000 said:
Oneeee-Chan!!! said:

Hi guys, Aren't you tired of doing the same thing every day?

this makes me want to listen to NIN

Every day is exactly the same.



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Lot of overlap in that 250m figure.

Given the undeveloped state of mobile gaming at the peak of the DS, Wii households typically had at least one DS. The DS itself became a collectible with all the special editions, further padding that install base figure.

The prospect of the Switch taking back market share from mobile in addition to whatever is left of the dedicated handheld market (zero growth/eroding niche) alone would make it a success given the state of Nintendo's console market following the Wii U.

So sure; by the numbers, even if the Switch squeaks past the 80m mark, it means they will have only sold the same number of hardware units as their previous generation, but the reality is that the back to back hits of the DS and Wii will in all likelihood never happen again in the console/handheld market, no matter whose name is on the product.



radishhead said:
Software sales are more important, and the Switch will have a much higher attach rate than the Wii, DS and WiiU.

You think that Switch will have a higher attach ratio than Wii U? I find that very hard to believe, especially with the expectation of 40-50m HW sold at minimum.



What worries me is that Nintendo Switch has already shown its peak performance with Zelda. We all know that every year developers tend to push their games to the limits to utilize the full potential of hardware. PS4 and XB1 hardware still got a lot to offer for developers. Unfortunately, this isn't the case with the Nintendo Switch and we're likely going to see third party developers rapidly abandoning this platform. As a result, the sales of Nintendo Switch are likely to decline in its second year as it won't have a diverse library of games such as the ones on PS4 and XB1. In other words, I'm expecting the Nintendo Switch to have a similar fate to that of the Wii U.



the_dengle said:
Guys did you know the PS4 isn't a success unless it fulfills the equation PS4 + PSV = PS3 + PSP

In other words we can call it a failure unless it exceeds 150 million hardware sales

So we can look forward to that in a few years

I feel like this thread has been too obsessed with this equation rather than understanding what it means. The only mean behind the X+Y is less than Z, it's indicative of Generation 8 being in the middle of the Great Recession. But if you are just looking at this formula, then you don't understand what's going on. I think you have a lot of people who can see the numbers but can't see the meaning behind them.



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