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DarthMetalliCube said:
NATO said:

you're not worth any further effort, i'll let the reality of the next few months of sales data educate you instead.

...Tough to argue with THIS logic.. Haha

Switch is doing really well, regardless of what ps4 is doing. Ps4 average was 150k-200k a week in the post launch (non holiday) period back in 2014.



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Miyamotoo said:
Barkley said:

I never said it did, I was asking what his defintion of generation was to make it so that Switch is in a group with ps5, when from a power, software and time perspective it's closer to PS4.

Switch is nintendo's next generation system, but there's no logical reason to group it with PS5, and there's no reason to group it with other systems either.

Again, I gave you clear examples that power of console does dont effect on generations of consoles, so power in that matter is not important in any case.

Second, Switch is released 3.5 years after PS4, if we got PS5 in 2019/2020 it can actually be closer to PS4 in time frame. Only fact we know for now is that Switch is next Nintendo gen console, but we don't know if will Switch be considered part of PS4 or PS5 group, and I don't think that really matters.

Bruh, like I said. I was giving all the possibilities that he or anyone else could believe are the defintion of a generation, I did not say they were all correct, but even if he thought it was correct it still wouldn't support a notion that Switch is part of some theoretical "ninth-generation".

I did also put in my original post "assuming ps5 launches 2020", but anyway. Switch released approximately 3 years and 3 months after PS4, so for it to be closer in release date to PS5, PS5 would have to launch before June 2020, I don't see a PlayStation releasing outside of the holiday period, it could be a holiday 2019 release though.

You're right generations don't matter, and as miguel said earlier in the thread, they're a dated concept, and either used as A. a way to be negative about the Switch or B. A way to conveniently move on from current systems and attempt to avoid comparisons.



Kerotan said:
There is nowhere near the hype for the Switch as there was the Wii. It also suffered major stock problems in its boom days.

The Switch is a replacement for both 3DS and Wii U. It's no surprise that it's sales are big despite a lack luster software line up.

I think it sells great the first 3 years as all the big Wii U and 3DS franchises hit the platform. Then sales will settle down.

I think it will take longer than 3 years for all the big franchises to be out being the successor to 2 platforms.



Wyrdness said:
Kerotan said:
There is nowhere near the hype for the Switch as there was the Wii. It also suffered major stock problems in its boom days.

The Switch is a replacement for both 3DS and Wii U. It's no surprise that it's sales are big despite a lack luster software line up.

I think it sells great the first 3 years as all the big Wii U and 3DS franchises hit the platform. Then sales will settle down.

I think it will take longer than 3 years for all the big franchises to be out being the successor to 2 platforms.

Maybe, really depends how fast Nintendo can pump out games now it can focus on one system.

Honestly I'd expect Pokemon, Animal Crossing, 2d Mario and Smash Bros out in less than 3 years, and Fire Emblem is next year too, not sure what Big Franchises will be still missing, probably forgot something though.

Though I don't think Switch is going to be particurly front-loaded like Kerotan says.



Wyrdness said:
Kerotan said:
There is nowhere near the hype for the Switch as there was the Wii. It also suffered major stock problems in its boom days.

The Switch is a replacement for both 3DS and Wii U. It's no surprise that it's sales are big despite a lack luster software line up.

I think it sells great the first 3 years as all the big Wii U and 3DS franchises hit the platform. Then sales will settle down.

I think it will take longer than 3 years for all the big franchises to be out being the successor to 2 platforms.

Make that 4 years then haha 



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NATO said:
LipeJJ said:

Only read your first posts when you said it would be a bit above Xbox One levels, which right now would be something like 120k, that's why I said at least 150k, because from 100k to 150k there is a big gap. Anyway, we can up the game and bet on 200k, which I'm still pretty sure it will achieve.

So you're saying if it drops below 150k you lose?, or are you going to chicken out and blame supply constraints if that happens?

See, the thing is, if my estimates are wrong, then I don't really lose, another strong selling console on the market is a good thing, and it means the console is more likely to get more games, and that tracking the sales data will be a little more interesting, but that's the benefit of not being emotionally invested in whether or not it succeeds, i just make my estimates based on the data we have, and that data has, without fail, shown that the first 8 weeks are always erratic and higher than the baseline significantly, as the switches sales current are and will be.

And as with every data driven estimate, the more accurate the data the better the estimate, so as each weeks sales data come in, the estimate will no doubt change to reflect that, as good data always should.

Still, I'm fairly confident that it will reach a level between 100k and 150k, so you're on.

Yes, I'm saying that if the weekly average on July drops below 200k, I lose. 

Btw, I'm not emotionally invested in it, just making my own predictions based on demand/expectations/software. Also, you're no analyst, and even they get preditions wrong, so don't count on victory based on comparisons of limited data while not taking into account many factors that impact sales. 

And no, I will not "chicken" and say I lost due to supply constraints. If that happens, I lose and that's all. So, wanna take the bet?

PS: What about 1 month avatar control? 



Bet with Teeqoz for 2 weeks of avatar and sig control that Super Mario Odyssey would ship more than 7m on its first 2 months. The game shipped 9.07m, so I won

When stock is fully replenished I wouldn't be surprised to see Switch outselling the PS4 2:1 and the Xbox One 4:1 for the next couple of years.

Awesome seeing Nintendo back on top where they belong!



DonFlamenco said:
When stock is fully replenished I wouldn't be surprised to see Switch outselling the PS4 2:1 and the Xbox One 4:1 for the next couple of years.

Awesome seeing Nintendo back on top where they belong!

I would quite surprised if they managed to sell 100-200-300% more than they can produce. Outselling the PS4 2:1 would entail 500k regular weeks and likely 2-3 million holiday weeks. That's more than the DS could do back when it shipped about 30 million or more for one fiscal year.



Mummelmann said:
DonFlamenco said:
When stock is fully replenished I wouldn't be surprised to see Switch outselling the PS4 2:1 and the Xbox One 4:1 for the next couple of years.

Awesome seeing Nintendo back on top where they belong!

I would quite surprised if they managed to sell 100-200-300% more than they can produce. Outselling the PS4 2:1 would entail 500k regular weeks and likely 2-3 million holiday weeks. That's more than the DS could do back when it shipped about 30 million or more for one fiscal year.

Yeah, outselling the PS4 at all during the first year is already amazing. Even matching it or coming close is still pretty good. But outselling 2:1 is 99% impossible. The only place it can doing that is Japan (it's alreaady doing so).



Bet with Teeqoz for 2 weeks of avatar and sig control that Super Mario Odyssey would ship more than 7m on its first 2 months. The game shipped 9.07m, so I won

DonFlamenco said:
When stock is fully replenished I wouldn't be surprised to see Switch outselling the PS4 2:1 and the Xbox One 4:1 for the next couple of years.

Awesome seeing Nintendo back on top where they belong!

If you would not be surprised to see the Switch outsell the PS4 2:1 for the next couple of years then your expectations for the Switch must be ASTRONOMICAL lol. Even higher than that of Nintendo themselves. So you Expect to sell around 30 million+ per year for the next couple of years.....something no console has ever done......wow.......you sir......you........are one of a kind.



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