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Forums - Politics Discussion - 2017 French Election (Macron Wins 66%)

 

Who do you think will be the next President of France?

Macron 167 69.87%
 
Le Pen 72 30.13%
 
Total:239
Aeolus451 on 23 April 2017
monocle_layton said:
barneystinson69 said:

Terrorists kill for their ideology! Terrorists don't give a fuck if they are on tv, as they will be dead! I mean should events like Nice and Paris be swept under the rug? 150 people dead, but who cares? We don't want to possibly inspire radicalization, so we won't speak. I'm almost laughing, because what you are saying is just the wrong thing to do!

It's rather hypocritical how you say we should 'stand up' against terrorists, and yet the Paris attack wasn't even the worst (or one of the worst) attacks to occur during that year. Giving the events a months worth of coverage along with social media spotlight does nothing but give these people the spotlight they deserve. I've visited enough extremists to know that they take advantage of these attacks to lure people in. 

 

Also, if so many people are scared about these types of attacks, why was there no outrage over the attack in Qaim where ISIS soldiers killed 300 civilians (twice as much as the Paris attack)? We are picking and choosing when to cry just to fit our agenda. 

People care mainly about their own country or their people being attacked or people similar to them being attacked. It has the most impact on their daily life compared to someone dying in a different part of the world. There's nothing really hypocritical about that. 



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barneystinson69 on 23 April 2017
monocle_layton said:
barneystinson69 said:

Terrorists kill for their ideology! Terrorists don't give a fuck if they are on tv, as they will be dead! I mean should events like Nice and Paris be swept under the rug? 150 people dead, but who cares? We don't want to possibly inspire radicalization, so we won't speak. I'm almost laughing, because what you are saying is just the wrong thing to do!

It's rather hypocritical how you say we should 'stand up' against terrorists, and yet the Paris attack wasn't even the worst (or one of the worst) attacks to occur during that year. Giving the events a months worth of coverage along with social media spotlight does nothing but give these people the spotlight they deserve. I've visited enough extremists to know that they take advantage of these attacks to lure people in. 

 

Also, if so many people are scared about these types of attacks, why was there no outrage over the attack in Qaim where ISIS soldiers killed 300 civilians (twice as much as the Paris attack)? We are picking and choosing when to cry just to fit our agenda. 

Maybe because terrorism is so common in the Middle East, there is no way to cover all of it? What about Allepo or Mosul? Lots of coverage. And what about all the pictures of children? We know what is going on in the ME, maybe their leaders should sit down and deal with it, versus fighting each other and complaining that the west is evil and all to blame...



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Flilix on 23 April 2017
Aeolus451 said:
Flilix said:

A lot of European terrorists are actually quite integrated. Some of them are even born here. There are even Western people who radicalize and support ISIS.

The underlying reasons are often personal problems. For instance, one of the Brussels terrorists wrote a note on which he said something like "I'm doing this because it's my only option. I don't want to go back to jail".

That's not being integrated into that society. They're not trying to emulate the native population for the most part. Adopting their values, speaking the native language, living amoungst the native population (not in clusters of similar people), trying to blend in that society. 

A lot of them do speak the language and live amoungst the native population. Of course, they have totally different values, but that's mostly because they radicalised, rather than that never were integrated.



Lafiel on 23 April 2017

I'm relieved to see that Macron wins the first round and has great chances to take the 2nd round of the election, but I'm actually pretty sure this will be a short lived win of rationality in that case - I expect Le Pen to win the presidency within the next 10-15 years



etking on 23 April 2017

Le Pen will likely loose the 2nd election to the fake anti-establishment candidate Macron who is actually very pro establishment and pro mass migration. So absolutely nothing will change and within a few years France will become another radical Islamic state in Europe.
The people either want it that way or they are too optimistic and do not want to see the harsh reality.



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Flilix on 23 April 2017
Lafiel said:

I'm relieved to see that Macron wins the first round and has great chances to take the 2nd round of the election, but I'm actually pretty sure this will be a short lived win of rationality in that case - I expect Le Pen to win the presidency within the next 10-15 years

It will depend on a lot of things that are immosible to foretell right now (whether or not Macron will be a good president, how much of an issue terrorism will be, how bad Trump will do as a president, ...).



Aeolus451 on 23 April 2017
Flilix said:
Aeolus451 said:

That's not being integrated into that society. They're not trying to emulate the native population for the most part. Adopting their values, speaking the native language, living amoungst the native population (not in clusters of similar people), trying to blend in that society. 

A lot of them do speak the language and live amoungst the native population. Of course, they have totally different values, but that's mostly because they radicalised, rather than that never were integrated.

They likely never integrated. It's not easy to radicalize a person who has completely opposing values that integrated into the society you want to attack or against.  I'm not saying you can't radicalize a native person or fully integrated person but it's very hard compared to someone who's already on the fence.  Muslims that live in France for the most part aren't trying to integrate into french society and become french people.  In some places, muslims won't let native people into their areas. What are they called no-go zones or something like that. 



Flilix on 23 April 2017
Aeolus451 said:
Flilix said:

A lot of them do speak the language and live amoungst the native population. Of course, they have totally different values, but that's mostly because they radicalised, rather than that never were integrated.

They likely never integrated. It's not easy to radicalize a person who has completely opposing values that integrated into the society you want to attack or against.  I'm not saying you can't radicalize a native person or fully integrated person but it's very hard compared to someone who's already on the fence.  Muslims that live in France for the most part aren't trying to integrate into french society and become french people.  In some places, muslims won't let native people into their areas. What are they called no-go zones or something like that. 

Like I said, a lot of terrosists are born here, like Salah Abdeslam (his parents and his brother were very moderate, actually).

Also, this is a very interesting article about a Western girl who radicalised. It's in Dutch, but I guess you can sort of understand what it's about by translating the page.
http://www.humo.be/humo-archief/371955/hoe-vlaamse-meisjes-vallen-voor-is-zon-viriele-is-strijder-is-voor-hen-de-prins-op-het-witte-paard



barneystinson69 on 23 April 2017

Anyway, back onto the subject of the election:

 

http://www.repubblica.it/static/speciale/2017/elezioni/francia/?refr%E2%80%8Besh_cens

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2017-french-election/

 

Not sure which one is correct.



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Normchacho on 23 April 2017

Alright France, don't fuck us on this. Keep those quasi-fascist loons from the National From destroying Europe.



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