I don't get this argument at all.

They have the affordable X1 S, they will have a premium console option, and they share games with Windows 10 to stimulate that platform and marketplace.

Being second isn't the worst thing in the world. I'll make this point, Vita didn't die because it was second. It died because it had no significant audience. PSP was doing just fine at second.

Switch is a different thing, different audience. It won't even get many of the games coming to PS4 and X1.

So you're assuming the next xbox upgrade will be dragged down by those games having to work on scorpio as well as xboxnext?

Not sure that's an ideal scenario for MS right there.

I do agree in wishing Sony had gone for a $500 upgrade though, especially if those $100 extra were spent on the processor. In any case it seems it wasn't in the cards as the scorpio will also be keeping Jaguar.

Here's my prediction. X1 and Scropio will be required to share games until the next X1. At that point developers can choose to not support the original X1 hardware.

I anticipate Scorpio will be a very capable machine even for 2021 standards. Since new consoles (upgrades) come so quickly and with less financial risks that means the upgrades are gonna be smaller.

In a nutshell, I'm saying Scorpio should be able to handle PS5 and Next X1 content at a lower resolution and maybe lower graphics settings.

How powerful will PS5 really be? Especially if launches in 2020 and Sony wants to hit $399-$499 without losing money on hardware. At best maybe it will be 12TF?

You're correct that the Scorpio is an option which was set up by Sony to work in such a fashion as a "mid-gen refresh" with the Pro. As I stated earlier, theres no point in arguing with options because they are a beautiful thing.  This will eventually cause the price of "premium models" will drop to a point where the consumer will question whether to get the base model or the upgrade ( if they care enough and have the cash to spare in the coming years). This is a good way to compete on a small scale, but it will not affect the larger outcome in the grand scheme of things. 

Being in second is one thing, but truthfully if Nintendos projections are correct the Xbox could end up  in third if they are successful in outpacing the Wii. If Nintendo comes with what matters, which is games from all angles on a DS level of value from all parties involved Microsoft will be forced to undersrtand what matters. The PSP was doing fine, but Sony spread themselves too thin trying to manage the PSP while its value was commercially eclipsed by the PS3. Sony understood where the handheld was going hence why their version of the switch leaked, which was created before the switch was announced. They Nintendo beat them to the punch. Sometimes thats how technology works and Sony and Nintendo get it. Nintendo danced around the power issue and tapped into their largest audience whilst trying to hold onto the rest who bought Wii's. Its not very different from the Vita, but the difference is Nintendo's first party will be leading the charge with greater vigor than Sony did with the Vita. Sony applied all of their development force behind the PS3. Thats where I believe they failed. Nintendo never faltered there with the DS and had very strong games from square and others as a result.

The Switch is for gamers. The switch is a console and it isnt as the same time. That makes it more for the gaming enthusiast. I havent enjoyed holding a handheld in years and I wanted a Vita, but wisely chose to move past it. The play anywhere angle Sony was pulling with the Vita/ PS3 combo was better implemeted by Nintendo who merely made the handheld the console and once docked output it to as high as 1080p. In conclusion, Nintendo can compete without taking the same games. They are still in the console race, but running with a suit best fitted for themselves to survive and be legitimate in the current gen. All Odyssey, Mario Kart and Zelda BOTW is an amazing leading AAA experience for Nintendo to woo gamers with in the launch year. I am sure E3 will reveal more games. Unless Microsoft is paying up for timed exclusives, the switch (as was said in another post) will be prioritized even over them. The switch could reach second for the gen and Microsoft third as a result. Not saying it is 100% but the way its being projected id say its a possibility.

Without the pro, there would be no scorpio. Microsoft clearly reacted to what Sony was doing.

To me it's just funny how the arguments will be shifting around once more.

No becoz in 2 years they will launch the PS5.

"power narrative" is so 2013-2014 and means nothing this late in the gen, no one's gonna abandon their ecosystems for the remainder of the gen.

I fear for Xbox when PS5 comes with new next gen looking graphics, features, engines etc with the full force of their 1st party studios.

What I hear about Scorpio from DF is that it's really good scaling Xbone engines to 4K, but it's just that, limited by 2013 hardware.

dont think either the pro or scorpio are gonna sell great, just the slims that will sell great

ps and switch.....

Maybe...... But I really want to see how the sales the Scorpio will be. If there is a lot of audience for this.

Yes, Microsoft is like that jock that thinks is all about power. The console realm has never seen the most powerful platform of the gen win a generation until the PS4. By making seeking the petty fight, they are doubly making this known trend continue. The games, price and marketshare are what matters. The more marketshare Sony gains, the harder it will become for Microsoft even begin to fight back.  Sony will slaughter them with their first, second and third party exclusives, since Microsoft cannot touch any exclusive eastern targeed titles like they did with the 360.

As it with our capitalistic second nature, the price will dictate that. If something premium exists for an audience of enthusiasts it will be only gathered by the few. This is why Sony gave the pro a $400 pricetag. I have a feeling that they know the Pro will become a more attractive console as it edges its way to $299 and eventually $200 by the end of the generation. Microsoft as usual will follow. Some chess pieces never wear out their value. If Microsoft aims high with the price just to say they have the most powerful platform, Sony can easily overshadow the long run price factor with a pro price cut. They dont seem to learn their lesson, having started the gen with a $500 console, and bad mission statement for the prospective userbase and few exclusives to make use of it.