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Turkish on 28 March 2017
Jazz2K said:
Turkish said:

It doesn't deter me, I'm asking what good it does me. If all Phil did was to go there and beg PS4 ports then no one will buy more Xboxes because of it and neither will I.

People want unique games thats exclusive to Xbox and not available on PS4. Scalebound could've been that game. No one wants PS4 ports on Xbox except for the few stubborn people who refused to buy a PS4 for their animu game needs.

If MS wants to sell me a Xbox it needs its own unique games period. Scalebound could've sold me on one, I'm a PG fanboy and it was one of my most anticipated games of the year. Never gonna forgive Phil for treating PG like shit.

This exclusive or bust mentality is only your psychologycal barrier and in no way it is necessary. I don't need my games to be exclusive to appreciate them and yes I'd like to play games like Nier Automata on Xbox. Why should I care if PS fans can also enjoy them?

Phil going to Japan to get Japanese games is a step in the right direction imo. Even if he isn't going for exclusive unique Xbox only games. 

It's not a psychological barrier, it's a valid argument why Xbox is unattractive at the moment for a lot of people and for a part explains why PS4 has sold 60 milion units while Xbone is at 25M or so. Games sell systems. I'm talking about the standpoint of a consumer who doesn't have a Xbox. What will make it attractive to me? The fan base for JPN games on Xbox is quite low, the fan base waiting on PS4 ports is even lower cuz they prolly already got it on PS4. How much did FFXV sell on PS4? 80-90% of total sales? It made sense to bring it to Xbox because of how huge the game is and justified a port but it might not be wise to port smaller games like Nier where a port might not be profitable. Otherwise Xbox would've been getting all the ports if it made sense.



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Jazz2K on 28 March 2017
Turkish said:
Jazz2K said:

This exclusive or bust mentality is only your psychologycal barrier and in no way it is necessary. I don't need my games to be exclusive to appreciate them and yes I'd like to play games like Nier Automata on Xbox. Why should I care if PS fans can also enjoy them?

Phil going to Japan to get Japanese games is a step in the right direction imo. Even if he isn't going for exclusive unique Xbox only games. 

It's not a psychological barrier, it's a valid argument why Xbox is unattractive at the moment for a lot of people and for a part explains why PS4 has sold 60 milion units while Xbone is at 25M or so. Games sell systems. I'm talking about the standpoint of a consumer who doesn't have a Xbox. What will make it attractive to me? The fan base for JPN games on Xbox is quite low, the fan base waiting on PS4 ports is even lower cuz they prolly already got it on PS4. How much did FFXV sell on PS4? 80-90% of total sales? It made sense to bring it to Xbox because of how huge the game is and justified a port but it might not be wise to port smaller games like Nier where a port might not be profitable. Otherwise Xbox would've been getting all the ports if it made sense.

What I'm talking about is why do you care if Japanese games are like say, Witcher or GTA or Assassin's Creed... on every consoles. Are you going to tell me these games are bad and don't drive sales? Games made by Sony or MS I don't care if they are exclusives that's not what we are talking about in this thread.  There used to be a good relationship between Japanese devs and MS but MS screwed things up and are now trying to fix things and the question is: "shouldn't we encourage them to do so instead of mocking them for trying?"

You seem to go agains't the idea of them trying because for some reasons... who cares if Sony is ahead? MS can still get these games for those that prefer Xbox, why should it be to convince you to buy one? You may not realize it but imo it really is a barrier you set up between you and the fun you can have with games by not caring whether they are exclusive or not or if they are on another platform or if that platform sells the most... 



AsGryffynn on 28 March 2017
thismeintiel said:
AsGryffynn said:

Don't tell Yoshida, it's bullshit time again! 

I must remind you that the PS3 was an inferior product as well not only due to the high price and late release, but the performance issues that did affect gamers. Add to that the fact that the error was using the wrong type of adhesive in heatsinks and it was dead. It was a production issue. In use it was superior to the PS3. Also, it didn't surpass the Xbox 360 until after the generation was over, so it's technically considered a loss. 

Now off your bloody high horse and at least show some respect for the guys who didn't think twice before shelling figures out to fix the mistake someone in the city of Shenzhen had made! 

Blah, blah, blah and poor excuses were all I got out of that post.  But, hey, you can always try next time. 

Hey, we weren't the ones who catch up after Nintendo ended the generation. Blame them for your loss, not us... 

Even now, the PS3's whole reputation was more infamous than the RROD afflicted models... 

Mar1217 said:
Scalebound cancellation is still fresh in our memories.

Microsoft merits all the mockeries they're getting.

Nobody sung praises of them that day. In fact, me and some friends burnt some things... 



AsGryffynn on 28 March 2017
BraLoD said:

Japanese games just won't find any sustainable bases on XBOX.
MS really tried it last gen, there is just no point on it.
People that want those games will just get or already have a PlayStation, even if they are on the XBOX as well.
And locking japenese games XBOX only is just plain bad for them.
People that have a XBOX already proved they don't care about those games.

It was working, but they gave up too early. Building a Japanese repertoire takes TIME. It wasn't a one year thing. They would need to funnel money throughout a whole generation to start making inroads... 



Jazz2K on 28 March 2017
AsGryffynn said:

It was working, but they gave up too early. Building a Japanese repertoire takes TIME. It wasn't a one year thing. They would need to funnel money throughout a whole generation to start making inroads... 

QFT they started off well with the first Xbox and then the first half of 360 was great with Japanese devs. But now they have to start all over again. I just hope that in a few years if they finaly get some deals they're not going to screw everything over again.



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Turkish on 28 March 2017
Jazz2K said:
Turkish said:

It's not a psychological barrier, it's a valid argument why Xbox is unattractive at the moment for a lot of people and for a part explains why PS4 has sold 60 milion units while Xbone is at 25M or so. Games sell systems. I'm talking about the standpoint of a consumer who doesn't have a Xbox. What will make it attractive to me? The fan base for JPN games on Xbox is quite low, the fan base waiting on PS4 ports is even lower cuz they prolly already got it on PS4. How much did FFXV sell on PS4? 80-90% of total sales? It made sense to bring it to Xbox because of how huge the game is and justified a port but it might not be wise to port smaller games like Nier where a port might not be profitable. Otherwise Xbox would've been getting all the ports if it made sense.

What I'm talking about is why do you care if Japanese games are like say, Witcher or GTA or Assassin's Creed... on every consoles. Are you going to tell me these games are bad and don't drive sales? Games made by Sony or MS I don't care if they are exclusives that's not what we are talking about in this thread.  There used to be a good relationship between Japanese devs and MS but MS screwed things up and are now trying to fix things and the question is: "shouldn't we encourage them to do so instead of mocking them for trying?"

You seem to go agains't the idea of them trying because for some reasons... who cares if Sony is ahead? MS can still get these games for those that prefer Xbox, why should it be to convince you to buy one? You may not realize it but imo it really is a barrier you set up between you and the fun you can have with games by not caring whether they are exclusive or not or if they are on another platform or if that platform sells the most... 

PS4 owners like me dont want an Xbox for the same games, how can MS sell us their Xboxes? By doing something different and giving us games not available on PS4.

I dont think you know the history of MS and Japan. People liked that era because they had their own exclusives, from JSRF to Lost Odyssey.

People dont care about PS2 ports nor PS4 ports on Xbox. They want new experiences they cant get on Playstation. PS4 ports are gonna bomb on Xbox, thats why no one is porting games, the publishers did the math, they know where the audience is, they dont drive extra sales on Xbox.

Why would I buy Xbox if it's getting DQ11 or Nier when I can get them on PS4, I dont need an extra system for that. It's all about MS trying to make their system attractive to potential customers, and they aint doing it by giving us PS4 owners PS4 ports. Not sure what's so hard to understand.

Also it's not me who has an issue with exclusives it's you, you seem really defensive about it, to me it means nothing, whether MS brings something new to the table and convince us non-Xbox owners to buy their system is up to them.



AsGryffynn on 28 March 2017
BraLoD said:
AsGryffynn said:

It was working, but they gave up too early. Building a Japanese repertoire takes TIME. It wasn't a one year thing. They would need to funnel money throughout a whole generation to start making inroads... 

15 years is a lot of time.

Unless PlayStation goes away (which won't happen) there will be no point on it as it has been up until now.

Microsoft could build some japanese studios and actually try to push it, but they know it won't be worth it, all the money hatting from last gen with a cheap console was the best attempt they'll ever make, and it still sold almost 10x less than the competitors there, and even on the soil they were doubling the PS in sales, they couldn't find more audience for it there as well.

People that like those games are not people that buy XBOX, so unless there is a need (no other way, as with PS going away as said before), they won't succeed, both devs and consumers know where it'll be.

It literally take 8 years. Microsoft dropped support after five. Now, whether they want to bother or not is none of my bsness, yet the easiest way to tear down this wall like Reagan did asks only that MS allows Japanese devs to release their games through XBL only, since the physical runs are what consumes money. Porting costs are no longer high. 

I do like some of those games, and I don't like Sony. I should be able to have them without having them... 



Seventizz on 28 March 2017

As an Xbox gamer, I can't say I care much about the state of Japanese gaming as of late. Scalebound wasn't even on my radar if truth be told. MS should go balls out and focus on what the public perception of them is anyway. Shooting, m-rated action, racing, sports, a strong multiplayer community, etc etc. It's what won them last gen in the West. Chasing after the same customer as Sony is pointless. Will they ever conquer Japan? Probably not - but who cares? They'd at least have their fan base in the region who like a more action-y type of playstyle.



Jazz2K on 28 March 2017
Turkish said:
Jazz2K said:

What I'm talking about is why do you care if Japanese games are like say, Witcher or GTA or Assassin's Creed... on every consoles. Are you going to tell me these games are bad and don't drive sales? Games made by Sony or MS I don't care if they are exclusives that's not what we are talking about in this thread.  There used to be a good relationship between Japanese devs and MS but MS screwed things up and are now trying to fix things and the question is: "shouldn't we encourage them to do so instead of mocking them for trying?"

You seem to go agains't the idea of them trying because for some reasons... who cares if Sony is ahead? MS can still get these games for those that prefer Xbox, why should it be to convince you to buy one? You may not realize it but imo it really is a barrier you set up between you and the fun you can have with games by not caring whether they are exclusive or not or if they are on another platform or if that platform sells the most... 

PS4 owners like me dont want an Xbox for the same games, how can MS sell us their Xboxes? By doing something different and giving us games not available on PS4.

I dont think you know the history of MS and Japan. People liked that era because they had their own exclusives, from JSRF to Lost Odyssey.

People dont care about PS2 ports nor PS4 ports on Xbox. They want new experiences they cant get on Playstation. PS4 ports are gonna bomb on Xbox, thats why no one is porting games, the publishers did the math, they know where the audience is, they dont drive extra sales on Xbox.

Why would I buy Xbox if it's getting DQ11 or Nier when I can get them on PS4, I dont need an extra system for that. It's all about MS trying to make their system attractive to potential customers, and they aint doing it by giving us PS4 owners PS4 ports. Not sure what's so hard to understand.

Also it's not me who has an issue with exclusives it's you, you seem really defensive about it, to me it means nothing, whether MS brings something new to the table and convince us non-Xbox owners to buy their system is up to them.

Not every games has to be exclusive you know. And you will never sell to everyone just like not everyone prefers Sony games or consoles. When I see the efforts Phil is putting in Japan I don't see it like he wants to build a strong relationship full of exclusive titles. I see it more like he wants most big Japanese games to come to Xbox as well as PS or Switch. Right now it's not the case.  Someone that like games like Halo and Assassin's Creed and Persona are in a strange position because Persona could be multiplat thus making that person happy and keep buying MS products. And again, it's not the case right now. 

Most gamers care not for exclusives they just want the games they like the most which are multiplat whether you like it or not. People hear that PS4 is the most powerful, and at a lower price and that Xbox is "sh**" compared to PS because they have fewer games, is less powerful and so on and so on... they will just get a Playstation and most of the rest is up to word of mouth and advertizing. Most gamers don't look for exclusives that's just enthusiasts (am I allowed to use that word?) that care for them. Japanese games don't have to be exclusive to Sony unless Sony pays them to and that's why Phil is trying to do something. Now it's up to us as gamers to either mock Phil for trying or encourage him to rebuilt that relationship.



estebxx on 28 March 2017
shikamaru317 said:
Agreed. Refreshing to see an article like this on DualShockers, a former PS fan site.

They are still very much a Playstation fan site, they are just not complete fanboys about it.

To the OP yeah i agree, one of the main reasons i dont care for Xbox is because of a serious lack of japanese titles... 5 out of my 6 most wanted games this year come from Japan, Tales of Berseria, Tokyo Xanadu, Persona 5, Nier Automata and Nioh.