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naruball said:
hunter_alien said:

The problem with this, is that you will have to go a step further and start banning everything that is unhealthy. Smoking, even if only second hand, kills a whole lot of people, but so does sweets, fast food, car emissions and of course, the king of it all, alcohol. The question arises when are you still protecting the innocent bystanders and when your are trampling on other people's right (no matter how bad of a habit it is).

I am a smoker, and I have nothing against smoking only in designated areas. But if I am doing that I am at least expecting a ban on people using their cars in a 1km radius ride around their home, simply for pleasure purposes, as I can guarantee you, that does far more harm than the 1 cigarette I would smoke next to a bus stop.

Someone eating sweets doesn't affect you in any way (other through your taxes because of potential health problems they may develop). Second hand smoking does. Not only is it unpleasant, it could actually kill you if you're exposed to too much of it. The person sitting next to you eating candy won't.

Again, please read my post. I have nothing against staying in a separate ventilated room and inhale it myslef, untill I have that choic.e I never once smoke or smoked on the street as I do not need a smoke break when I walk. I do on the other hand like a cigarette next to my coffee or beer when I go out in the city in the weeknds. Is it healthy? Fuck no! Is it my choice? Of course.



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kurasakiichimaru said:
hunter_alien said:

The problem with this, is that you will have to go a step further and start banning everything that is unhealthy. Smoking, even if only second hand, kills a whole lot of people, but so does sweets, fast food, car emissions and of course, the king of it all, alcohol. The question arises when are you still protecting the innocent bystanders and when your are trampling on other people's right (no matter how bad of a habit it is).

I am a smoker, and I have nothing against smoking only in designated areas. But if I am doing that I am at least expecting a ban on people using their cars in a 1km radius ride around their home, simply for pleasure purposes, as I can guarantee you, that does far more harm than the 1 cigarette I would smoke next to a bus stop.

Sounds like you!re just rationalizing. That's probably a sign you need all the help you can get to get over your smoking problems 

 

And btw you need sugar to live even more so for people suffering from Diabetes actually and you could suffer from hypoglycemia. You need vehicles to get where you are especially in a place such as philippines with no good railway system and the weather too can be a bitch. There's actiually a benefit to deinking alcohol for your health. Heck the liver can actually regenerate. THE KEY IS MODERATION.

 

Smoking does nothing but bad things. I meam we're not talking about medical cannabis anyway.

Belive me, as a psychologist I can guranatee you that that statement is far from truth. You cannot imagine how many people actually need their cigarettes to actually manage their everyday life. Several psychosomatic issues can affect far more a persons life than smoking, something that they often use to get by. It does help socialization, stress relief in general and in some cases even help develop niche interest that will keep some people mentally healthy. Its not as one sided as you might think.

In a perfect society smoking schouldent even exist, but we are far from it.



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hunter_alien said:
naruball said:

Someone eating sweets doesn't affect you in any way (other through your taxes because of potential health problems they may develop). Second hand smoking does. Not only is it unpleasant, it could actually kill you if you're exposed to too much of it. The person sitting next to you eating candy won't.

Again, please read my post. I have nothing against staying in a separate ventilated room and inhale it myslef, untill I have that choic.e I never once smoke or smoked on the street as I do not need a smoke break when I walk. I do on the other hand like a cigarette next to my coffee or beer when I go out in the city in the weeknds. Is it healthy? Fuck no! Is it my choice? Of course.

I get what you're saying. All I'm saying is that in reality most smokers don't behave the way you do. I've been surrounded by smokers my entire life. Hell my parents smoked so much they almost killed me (according to the doctor). I think stricter rules would be better.



Nautilus said:
Azuren said:

Tobacco smoke drifts, and can affect people up to thirty feet away from the smoker depending on wind currents. 

 

I'm allergic to tobacco, so I'm really sensitive to it, and a friend at work has such bad asthma that tobacco smoke shuts down her lungs. Someone was smoking by the exit door, and the smoke traveled all the way to the registers (no small distance, mind you) and we both had to move. 

Hunter_alien basically answered what I would answer.

I would go one step further and say that if smoking should be banned, then so should taking the dog or a cat outside of the house.If we were to apply that logic, there are myriad humans that are allergic to those animals, and having them outside can be harmful to them(by staying too close, or simply because the animals can leve furs on public spaces, like public chairs and so on).But I do wish your friend good health, I imagine that condition must be really annoying.

My point is, banning things that can be harmful to most people is a good, but we need to reach an agreement.If we were to ban things that are only harmful to us, half of the things most people of the world enjoy would be illegal and we would have wars over it or higher crimes, for better or worse.I mean, look no further than drugs.If people already go to all kinds of lenghts to get their drugs(illegal ones), and causes myriad crimes related to it, imagine if Alcohol were illegal?

Im no smoker, never tried it in my life actually, but I do know that there are people that like it and they help them "escape" the bad situation they are in sometimes.Like alcohol and gambling, they are a necessary evil that humans, persons, needs.And limiting it to designated areas(which are few) and to your own house(which you may not6 even be allowed to, since you have a family and all) is simply too extreme.

Thank you very much for your support Im glad that I am not the only person who shares these views. Issues like these (they are issues I am the first to admit it) are way more complex to simply stamp them with a banned logo and call it a day.



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naruball said:
hunter_alien said:

Again, please read my post. I have nothing against staying in a separate ventilated room and inhale it myslef, untill I have that choic.e I never once smoke or smoked on the street as I do not need a smoke break when I walk. I do on the other hand like a cigarette next to my coffee or beer when I go out in the city in the weeknds. Is it healthy? Fuck no! Is it my choice? Of course.

I get what you're saying. All I'm saying is that in reality most smokers don't behave the way you do. I've been surrounded by smokers my entire life. Hell my parents smoked so much they almost killed me (according to the doctor). I think stricter rules would be better.

Ok than, sorry for my overreaction. I think I got a bit carried away with my post. And yes I do agree. Stricter rules and regulations are a good way to handle the sittuation on a global scale, and there are most deffinatly places where smoking should be considered a criminal offense and fines should be handed, no doubt. Especially when children are involved. Even tough we have an age restriction for smoking unfortunatly few shops actually enforce it :-|



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hunter_alien said:
naruball said:

I get what you're saying. All I'm saying is that in reality most smokers don't behave the way you do. I've been surrounded by smokers my entire life. Hell my parents smoked so much they almost killed me (according to the doctor). I think stricter rules would be better.

Ok than, sorry for my overreaction. I think I got a bit carried away with my post. And yes I do agree. Stricter rules and regulations are a good way to handle the sittuation on a global scale, and there are most deffinatly places where smoking should be considered a criminal offense and fines should be handed, no doubt. Especially when children are involved. Even tough we have an age restriction for smoking unfortunatly few shops actually enforce it :-|

No worries. I know from your posting history that you're a level headed person, so it didn't bother me at all.

Anyway, I just wanted to say that, from my limited experience in the UK, the rules there work quite well. With designated areas for smoking outside airports, unable to smoke inside a flat because of all the mandatory smoke detectors, etc. That's a step towards the right direction. I'm sure it's far from perfect in reality, but it's 10x different what I've experienced in countries like Greece.



naruball said:
hunter_alien said:

Ok than, sorry for my overreaction. I think I got a bit carried away with my post. And yes I do agree. Stricter rules and regulations are a good way to handle the sittuation on a global scale, and there are most deffinatly places where smoking should be considered a criminal offense and fines should be handed, no doubt. Especially when children are involved. Even tough we have an age restriction for smoking unfortunatly few shops actually enforce it :-|

No worries. I know from your posting history that you're a level headed person, so it didn't bother me at all.

Anyway, I just wanted to say that, from my limited experience in the UK, the rules there work quite well. With designated areas for smoking outside airports, unable to smoke inside a flat because of all the mandatory smoke detectors, etc. That's a step towards the right direction. I'm sure it's far from perfect in reality, but it's 10x different what I've experienced in countries like Greece.

I taught that Greece had strict rules as a EU country, arent they obliged by those? I mean there are still some "bastions" in the EU that still allow smoking literally anywhere (Czech Republic). My girlfriend (non smoker) went nuts when even in a a high end restaurant there was actually no separate smokers section.



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hunter_alien said:
naruball said:

No worries. I know from your posting history that you're a level headed person, so it didn't bother me at all.

Anyway, I just wanted to say that, from my limited experience in the UK, the rules there work quite well. With designated areas for smoking outside airports, unable to smoke inside a flat because of all the mandatory smoke detectors, etc. That's a step towards the right direction. I'm sure it's far from perfect in reality, but it's 10x different what I've experienced in countries like Greece.

I taught that Greece had strict rules as a EU country, arent they obliged by those? I mean there are still some "bastions" in the EU that still allow smoking literally anywhere (Czech Republic). My girlfriend (non smoker) went nuts when even in a a high end restaurant there was actually no separate smokers section.

I don't know whether Greece has its own separate laws from the EU but I know that most laws are not enforced. Police officers tend to look the other way for a number of reasons, unfortunately. Not like in South America, but it's pretty bad.



Will he murder public smokers too?



Funny how people act like smoking is the worst thing in the world when alcohol and obesity is much larger.

I obviously don't approve of public smoking (unless you're in a smoke shop or something), but I'm worried this'll only bring more deaths for undeserving reasons