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naruball said:
Nautilus said:
Thats actually dumb.Unless you are really close to the smoker, you wont inhale the smoke.
Is this on the US?

Far from the truth.

If someone smokes at a bus stop and then enters the bus, his clothes are still gonna carry some of the smoke/smell (happened to me on Saturday and had problems breathing) .

When someone walks and smokes and you have to walk behind them (unless you cross the street to go walk on the opposite pavement), you will inhale some of their smoke.

If you pass by someone who smokes, you will inhale their smoke.

The list goes on.

This has nothing to do with you being close to them and everything with being unable to avoid smokers no matter when you go when it is legal everywhere in public. Designated areas are much better imo.

The problem with this, is that you will have to go a step further and start banning everything that is unhealthy. Smoking, even if only second hand, kills a whole lot of people, but so does sweets, fast food, car emissions and of course, the king of it all, alcohol. The question arises when are you still protecting the innocent bystanders and when your are trampling on other people's right (no matter how bad of a habit it is).

I am a smoker, and I have nothing against smoking only in designated areas. But if I am doing that I am at least expecting a ban on people using their cars in a 1km radius ride around their home, simply for pleasure purposes, as I can guarantee you, that does far more harm than the 1 cigarette I would smoke next to a bus stop.



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Nautilus said:
Thats actually dumb.Unless you are really close to the smoker, you wont inhale the smoke.
Is this on the US?

Tobacco smoke drifts, and can affect people up to thirty feet away from the smoker depending on wind currents. 

 

I'm allergic to tobacco, so I'm really sensitive to it, and a friend at work has such bad asthma that tobacco smoke shuts down her lungs. Someone was smoking by the exit door, and the smoke traveled all the way to the registers (no small distance, mind you) and we both had to move. 



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hunter_alien said:
naruball said:

Far from the truth.

If someone smokes at a bus stop and then enters the bus, his clothes are still gonna carry some of the smoke/smell (happened to me on Saturday and had problems breathing) .

When someone walks and smokes and you have to walk behind them (unless you cross the street to go walk on the opposite pavement), you will inhale some of their smoke.

If you pass by someone who smokes, you will inhale their smoke.

The list goes on.

This has nothing to do with you being close to them and everything with being unable to avoid smokers no matter when you go when it is legal everywhere in public. Designated areas are much better imo.

The problem with this, is that you will have to go a step further and start banning everything that is unhealthy. Smoking, even if only second hand, kills a whole lot of people, but so does sweets, fast food, car emissions and of course, the king of it all, alcohol. The question arises when are you still protecting the innocent bystanders and when your are trampling on other people's right (no matter how bad of a habit it is).

I am a smoker, and I have nothing against smoking only in designated areas. But if I am doing that I am at least expecting a ban on people using their cars in a 1km radius ride around their home, simply for pleasure purposes, as I can guarantee you, that does far more harm than the 1 cigarette I would smoke next to a bus stop.

Sounds like you!re just rationalizing. That's probably a sign you need all the help you can get to get over your smoking problems 

 

And btw you need sugar to live even more so for people suffering from Diabetes actually and you could suffer from hypoglycemia. You need vehicles to get where you are especially in a place such as philippines with no good railway system and the weather too can be a bitch. There's actiually a benefit to deinking alcohol for your health. Heck the liver can actually regenerate. THE KEY IS MODERATION.

 

Smoking does nothing but bad things. I meam we're not talking about medical cannabis anyway.



I mean, the dude is extreme, but I hate smoking and it's the most retarded thing I can think of doing to yourself...but if people wanna smoke it up and it doesn't affect me directly, I tend to look the other way about, it's their right fuck themselves up. Split on this one.



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Azuren said:
Nautilus said:
Thats actually dumb.Unless you are really close to the smoker, you wont inhale the smoke.
Is this on the US?

Tobacco smoke drifts, and can affect people up to thirty feet away from the smoker depending on wind currents. 

 

I'm allergic to tobacco, so I'm really sensitive to it, and a friend at work has such bad asthma that tobacco smoke shuts down her lungs. Someone was smoking by the exit door, and the smoke traveled all the way to the registers (no small distance, mind you) and we both had to move. 

Hunter_alien basically answered what I would answer.

I would go one step further and say that if smoking should be banned, then so should taking the dog or a cat outside of the house.If we were to apply that logic, there are myriad humans that are allergic to those animals, and having them outside can be harmful to them(by staying too close, or simply because the animals can leve furs on public spaces, like public chairs and so on).But I do wish your friend good health, I imagine that condition must be really annoying.

My point is, banning things that can be harmful to most people is a good, but we need to reach an agreement.If we were to ban things that are only harmful to us, half of the things most people of the world enjoy would be illegal and we would have wars over it or higher crimes, for better or worse.I mean, look no further than drugs.If people already go to all kinds of lenghts to get their drugs(illegal ones), and causes myriad crimes related to it, imagine if Alcohol were illegal?

Im no smoker, never tried it in my life actually, but I do know that there are people that like it and they help them "escape" the bad situation they are in sometimes.Like alcohol and gambling, they are a necessary evil that humans, persons, needs.And limiting it to designated areas(which are few) and to your own house(which you may not6 even be allowed to, since you have a family and all) is simply too extreme.



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hunter_alien said:
naruball said:

Far from the truth.

If someone smokes at a bus stop and then enters the bus, his clothes are still gonna carry some of the smoke/smell (happened to me on Saturday and had problems breathing) .

When someone walks and smokes and you have to walk behind them (unless you cross the street to go walk on the opposite pavement), you will inhale some of their smoke.

If you pass by someone who smokes, you will inhale their smoke.

The list goes on.

This has nothing to do with you being close to them and everything with being unable to avoid smokers no matter when you go when it is legal everywhere in public. Designated areas are much better imo.

The problem with this, is that you will have to go a step further and start banning everything that is unhealthy. Smoking, even if only second hand, kills a whole lot of people, but so does sweets, fast food, car emissions and of course, the king of it all, alcohol. The question arises when are you still protecting the innocent bystanders and when your are trampling on other people's right (no matter how bad of a habit it is).

I am a smoker, and I have nothing against smoking only in designated areas. But if I am doing that I am at least expecting a ban on people using their cars in a 1km radius ride around their home, simply for pleasure purposes, as I can guarantee you, that does far more harm than the 1 cigarette I would smoke next to a bus stop.

Can you honestly read that and not see your flawed logic?

If I am eating a burger whilst walking down the street, the persons colestoral or fat percentage doesn't go up from being near me. 
It is not someone elses right to directly affect the health of those around them from they OWN choices. 

If anything it's someone's right to be able to walk down the street and not inhale cancerous smoke from someone choosing to smoke it and blow it around. 



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hunter_alien said:
naruball said:

Far from the truth.

If someone smokes at a bus stop and then enters the bus, his clothes are still gonna carry some of the smoke/smell (happened to me on Saturday and had problems breathing) .

When someone walks and smokes and you have to walk behind them (unless you cross the street to go walk on the opposite pavement), you will inhale some of their smoke.

If you pass by someone who smokes, you will inhale their smoke.

The list goes on.

This has nothing to do with you being close to them and everything with being unable to avoid smokers no matter when you go when it is legal everywhere in public. Designated areas are much better imo.

The problem with this, is that you will have to go a step further and start banning everything that is unhealthy. Smoking, even if only second hand, kills a whole lot of people, but so does sweets, fast food, car emissions and of course, the king of it all, alcohol. The question arises when are you still protecting the innocent bystanders and when your are trampling on other people's right (no matter how bad of a habit it is).

I am a smoker, and I have nothing against smoking only in designated areas. But if I am doing that I am at least expecting a ban on people using their cars in a 1km radius ride around their home, simply for pleasure purposes, as I can guarantee you, that does far more harm than the 1 cigarette I would smoke next to a bus stop.

Someone eating sweets doesn't affect you in any way (other through your taxes because of potential health problems they may develop). Second hand smoking does. Not only is it unpleasant, it could actually kill you if you're exposed to too much of it. The person sitting next to you eating candy won't.



Smoking is indeed a bad thing and it would be a lot better for our health if everybody stopped smoking. However, I do have my doubts about this law. It's too direct and too strict, and the punishments will probably too heavy.



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ArchangelMadzz said:
hunter_alien said:

The problem with this, is that you will have to go a step further and start banning everything that is unhealthy. Smoking, even if only second hand, kills a whole lot of people, but so does sweets, fast food, car emissions and of course, the king of it all, alcohol. The question arises when are you still protecting the innocent bystanders and when your are trampling on other people's right (no matter how bad of a habit it is).

I am a smoker, and I have nothing against smoking only in designated areas. But if I am doing that I am at least expecting a ban on people using their cars in a 1km radius ride around their home, simply for pleasure purposes, as I can guarantee you, that does far more harm than the 1 cigarette I would smoke next to a bus stop.

Can you honestly read that and not see your flawed logic?

If I am eating a burger whilst walking down the street, the persons colestoral or fat percentage doesn't go up from being near me. 
It is not someone elses right to directly affect the health of those around them from they OWN choices. 

If anything it's someone's right to be able to walk down the street and not inhale cancerous smoke from someone choosing to smoke it and blow it around. 

Thats my point. I think you havent read my post all the way. I am all for smoking designated area, but at least we can have a choice as well. How that will affect me its my own choice and not yours to make. Thats why I am perfectly fine to smoke in a separate room if that is necesary.

Its also my own god damn right to go down the street and not inhale the smog comming from the cars, but allas thats not going to happen anytime soon, will it. People tend to be a bit hypocritical whgen it comes to smoking especially how many "choice" related things they decide to destroy their bodies and health with.



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