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FFXV's Sales In Japan: It Is Time For Japanese Devs To Support Switch?

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Soundwave said:

When you think about it, there's a pretty good chance Final Fantasy XV is the most expensive Japanese made game ever. 

These sales are a really bad omen for Japanese AAA development.

I think Japanese developers have miscalculated the success of the PS4 as well thinking it was basically PS2-all-over-again. It's not. It's very popular in the West with WESTERN games. Final Fantasy XV underperforming and Street Fighter V flopping should be sobering wake up calls. In Japan the PS4 is selling relatively poorly, it is no second coming of the PS2 in Japan. Traditional gaming is under serious threat. 

It's an omen that they need to re-learn how to engage a worldwide audience after falling on their asses last generation. It's not an omen that they should refocus on the most rapidly aging country in the world by banking everything on the success of an unreleased and therefore unproven system in a desperate attempt to lure smart phone gamers back to home consoles.



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Soundwave said:

 

I think Square-Enix hitching their wagon to Sony has caught up to them. Why has Nintendo never been given a main line Final Fantasy game despite having the best selling system in Japan for each of the last two generations by a large margin? Bet they are counting their lucky stars Dragon Quest XI will be on 3DS and Switch too, otherwise they would be in big, big trouble with Dragon Quest as well. 

Ah so this is a Nintendo fan scraping for Switch ports thread, and not really about FF15's performance (which doesnt even take into account the potential 50-100k digital sales which would be good enough to help the game hit a million over time)

 

gotcha!



twintail said:
Soundwave said:

 

I think Square-Enix hitching their wagon to Sony has caught up to them. Why has Nintendo never been given a main line Final Fantasy game despite having the best selling system in Japan for each of the last two generations by a large margin? Bet they are counting their lucky stars Dragon Quest XI will be on 3DS and Switch too, otherwise they would be in big, big trouble with Dragon Quest as well. 

Ah so this is a Nintendo fan scraping for Switch ports thread, and not really about FF15's performance (which doesnt even take into account the potential 50-100k digital sales which would be good enough to help the game hit a million over time)

 

gotcha!

It is an odd attempt to use "Japan sales" to argue for porting games which in turn will then turn into arguing for "porting" the games that are already on the switch to the US.

Quite around about approach to port begging so you don't have to get a Sony device.



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twintail said:
Soundwave said:

 

I think Square-Enix hitching their wagon to Sony has caught up to them. Why has Nintendo never been given a main line Final Fantasy game despite having the best selling system in Japan for each of the last two generations by a large margin? Bet they are counting their lucky stars Dragon Quest XI will be on 3DS and Switch too, otherwise they would be in big, big trouble with Dragon Quest as well. 

Ah so this is a Nintendo fan scraping for Switch ports thread, and not really about FF15's performance (which doesnt even take into account the potential 50-100k digital sales which would be good enough to help the game hit a million over time)

 

gotcha!

It's about the Japanese market in general and the future of actual A-AAA traditional game experiences. At this rate there won't be a future for those games. 

There's only one platform that has a reasonable shot of having a mass userbase in Japan as a traditional gaming device ... and that's the Switch. Sorry if that upsets some people, but it's the truth, and it's about time Japanese developers also realized this, for their *own* sake, not just Nintendo's. 

Nintendo's going to do just fine on Switch themselves and sell their usual boat load of Mario/Pokemon/Animal Crossing. Nintendo's going to be alright. But the Japanese development community in general? They need to smarten up or they are going to find themselves working on smartphone games as the future of Japanese game development. Which would be a damn shame, but that's the path they've put themselves on. 



twintail said:
Soundwave said:

 

I think Square-Enix hitching their wagon to Sony has caught up to them. Why has Nintendo never been given a main line Final Fantasy game despite having the best selling system in Japan for each of the last two generations by a large margin? Bet they are counting their lucky stars Dragon Quest XI will be on 3DS and Switch too, otherwise they would be in big, big trouble with Dragon Quest as well. 

Ah so this is a Nintendo fan scraping for Switch ports thread, and not really about FF15's performance (which doesnt even take into account the potential 50-100k digital sales which would be good enough to help the game hit a million over time)

 

gotcha!

How on earth can you spin selling 690k FW in Japan as something good?

Final Fantasy XV will sell less than Splatoon in Japan. Think about that for a minute.



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Alkibiádēs said:
twintail said:

Ah so this is a Nintendo fan scraping for Switch ports thread, and not really about FF15's performance (which doesnt even take into account the potential 50-100k digital sales which would be good enough to help the game hit a million over time)

 

gotcha!

How on earth can you spin selling 690k FW in Japan as something good?

Final Fantasy XV will sell less than Splatoon in Japan. Think about that for a minute.

Final Fantasy declining, Street Fighter bombing, Metal Gear uh .... well .... Monster Hunter is doing well but that's because it's on 3DS. 

Pretty soon the only Japanese games that sell at all are going to be Nintendo's own IP (Mario, Mario Kart, Pokemon, Splatoon, Animal Crossing, Donkey Kong). 

Whether they like each other or not, Japanese developers need to realize they need Nintendo, and Nintendo needs them. 

Switch must sell 20 million in Japan to create a healthy ecosystem for Japanese games to sell to, PS4 has like 3-4 million after almost 3 years? That's just not cutting the mustard. You can't have healthy sales if this is the size of your ecosystem. 



Alkibiádēs said:
twintail said:

Ah so this is a Nintendo fan scraping for Switch ports thread, and not really about FF15's performance (which doesnt even take into account the potential 50-100k digital sales which would be good enough to help the game hit a million over time)

 

gotcha!

How on earth can you spin selling 690k FW in Japan as something good?

Final Fantasy XV will sell less than Splatoon in Japan. Think about that for a minute.

But this is not a "home console in Japan is dying" problem, it's a Final Fantasy series problem. XIII and it`s sequels damaged the franchise pretty badly. Remember Final Fantasy name is kinda screwed all over the place, mainly in Japan, remember the massive amounts of shitty games using Final Fantasy name just to sell some easy copies, and this comes since DS era, and FF XIII that was supposed to help the game gain some credibility back was, that, thing, with two sequels... Just looks at the XIII sequels ( they are main series, just like X-2 is) sales and you`ll see it`s a disaster. 

With time the franchise can go back on track and once the fans start to here this game is good they might actually start buying it again. Just remember FF always was a system seller, and it means the userbase isn`t a factor at all of how much it will sell since the fans are going to get a console for it. The main concern here is SE finding a way to make the buyers keep their copies and don`t sell it to used market, since this what kills legs for any game in Japan, people buying the game, finishing it in a week or two and selling it again. I would be more eager to see how successful it is after one monther or two.

P.S.: Consider also that games in Japan, mainly AAA games, are much more expensive than in West where USA prices fixed at 59 USD and some European countries for 69 to 79 EUR. In Japan a main FF can get to cost 100.000 Yen, roughly 100 USD, much more revenue per copy.



Alkibiádēs said:

How on earth can you spin selling 690k FW in Japan as something good?

Final Fantasy XV will sell less than Splatoon in Japan. Think about that for a minute.

Just to be specific, FFXV sold 707.000 retail in Japan FW, if you count Xbox One and the Film Collections Box FF XV (which includes the PS4 game) that sold 13k.
But we have to account for digital sales as well, which were described as the highest day one sales of any digital game ever in Japan. (Probably meant PS4.)
So maybe it sold 800-900k? Not magical, but not a disaster either. Especially considering the majority of FF's sales for the past years have come from outside of Japan. (Japan only accounted for 35% of FF XIII's retail sales.)

But a downward trend with FF has been happening for years now.
That Switch, which hasn't even released yet and may very well sell weak numbers, would magically solve FF's reputation is based on absolutely nothing. The reality is that every developer will cautiously observe Switch's sales in the beginning before devoting most of their console games to that system, because they've given everyone plenty of reasons to do so. Every single Nintendo console, with the exception of Wii, has systematically sold worse and worse.



this is sad, i remember the days when you could buy a ff game and expect quality (7,8,9 in my case). To see this great franchise turned into this, really sad indeed.



Alkibiádēs said:

Final Fantasy XV will sell less than Splatoon in Japan. Think about that for a minute.

Everything that was released on console and will be released on console this generation is going to sell less than Splatoon in Japan lol

Splatoon isn't the metric for success. It will be the best selling console game this gen.