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And yet its outselling FF13 worwide while having barley less in Japan FW with a much smaller japanese installbase



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Boutros said:
zorg1000 said:

People brought up western sales way before profitability was mentioned in this thread.

In the OP:

"Japanese developers better hope Switch does well in Japan, because it's curtains to the traditional  Japanese game industry if it does not take off."

How can you not talk about the importance of the west for a franchise like Final Fantasy after a statement like that. Profitability is an underlined theme here.

TRADITIONAL JAPANESE GAME INDUSTRY

If the Japanese market is to remain alive than gaming devices and their games need to sell well in Japan, western sales have nothing to do with that and he never mentioned profits.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

Doom thread after a single week of sales...



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You use your "Nintendo is the savior of mankind" card way too hastily. 



Darwinianevolution said:

Can we just get this games as PS4/Switch multiplats? That way they hold the japanese market with the Switch and get a decent profit with the West with the PS4. It's not like this kind of games can't be adjusted to work on the Switch. Multiplats make everyone happy.

Also, Persona 4G and 5 for the Switch, pleeeeaseeee?

I agree, no one needs to fight, we should be able to play anyway we want.



zorg1000 said:
Boutros said:

In the OP:

"Japanese developers better hope Switch does well in Japan, because it's curtains to the traditional  Japanese game industry if it does not take off."

How can you not talk about the importance of the west for a franchise like Final Fantasy after a statement like that. Profitability is an underlined theme here.

TRADITIONAL JAPANESE GAME INDUSTRY

If the Japanese market is to remain alive than gaming devices and their games need to sell well in Japan, western sales have nothing to do with that and he never mentioned profits.

? I really don't understand your argument.

Japanese games absolutely don't need to sell well in Japan to stay alive if they find success in the west. People outside of Japan also love traditional Japanese games.

If FFXV is considered as part of the traditional Japanese game industry and is popular and profitable in the west then a decline in Japan does not mean the doom of the traditional Japanese game industry.



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Hiku said:
Boutros said:

In the OP:

"Japanese developers better hope Switch does well in Japan, because it's curtains to the traditional  Japanese game industry if it does not take off."

How can you not talk about the importance of the west for a franchise like Final Fantasy after a statement like that. Profitability is an underlined theme here.

Curiously, just the other day, OP said that these exact Japanese games are generally "not worthwhile" http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8181918
And only affect "hardcore otaku gamers" http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8182821

Now he seems extremely concerned about games that are not worthwhile. And it can only be solved by them being ported to Switch.

Ahhhhh, Got'em. 



Boutros said:
zorg1000 said:

TRADITIONAL JAPANESE GAME INDUSTRY

If the Japanese market is to remain alive than gaming devices and their games need to sell well in Japan, western sales have nothing to do with that and he never mentioned profits.

? I really don't understand your argument.

Japanese games absolutely don't need to sell well in Japan to stay alive if they find success in the west. People outside of Japan also love traditional Japanese games.

If FFXV is considered as part of the traditional Japanese game industry and is popular and profitable in the west then a decline in Japan does not mean the doom of the traditional Japanese game industry.

You are completely missing the point, in order for the traditional gaming market to remain relevant in Japan than traditional gaming hardware/software needs to sell well in Japan. That is what the OP and myself are trying to say.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

zorg1000 said:
Boutros said:

? I really don't understand your argument.

Japanese games absolutely don't need to sell well in Japan to stay alive if they find success in the west. People outside of Japan also love traditional Japanese games.

If FFXV is considered as part of the traditional Japanese game industry and is popular and profitable in the west then a decline in Japan does not mean the doom of the traditional Japanese game industry.

You are completely missing the point, in order for the traditional gaming market to remain relevant in Japan than traditional gaming hardware/software needs to sell well in Japan. That is what the OP and myself are trying to say.

Yes but what I'm saying is that traditional gaming software/hardware do not need to be relevant in Japan to exist. And a franchise like Final Fantasy that is increasingly meant to appeal to a western audience does not need to be relevant in Japan to be justified. Of course lost sales are lost and there are means that could be taken to remedy to that especially in Japan (at the expense of the west) but Japan isn't Square's focus anymore for the Final Fantasy franchise and that's what this thread is about. And because of that probable success in the west there's no need to change the formula.



Boutros said:
zorg1000 said:

You are completely missing the point, in order for the traditional gaming market to remain relevant in Japan than traditional gaming hardware/software needs to sell well in Japan. That is what the OP and myself are trying to say.

Yes but what I'm saying is that traditional gaming software/hardware do not need to be relevant in Japan to exist. And a franchise like Final Fantasy that is increasingly meant to appeal to a western audience does not need to be relevant in Japan to be justified. Of course lost sales are lost and there are means that could be taken to remedy to that especially in Japan (at the expense of the west) but Japan isn't Square's focus anymore for the Final Fantasy franchise and that's what this thread is about. And because of that probable success in the west there's no need to change the formula.

I get what you're saying........but its not really relevant to what the OP is talking about which is the Japanese market.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

The West isn't going to save franchises like Final Fantasy. If they're relying on the West to drive franchise sales they have so far lost the plot that it's not even funny.

They are going to be irrelevant as a company if they don't build back the core base for Final Fantasy and in order to do that, the franchise needs a *healthy* vibrant traditional game platform IN Japan that Japanese people actually want to buy.

The reality is probably dawning on the Final Fantasy XVI dev team right now ... they're not going to likely get the same budget or leeway the FFXV team got. Not after these sales. S-E's only saving grace this time is they were able to stuff retail channels with a large first shipment, but retailers will remember this next they go to place orders for any future FF games. 

This is a disaster for them. Lowest selling Final Fantasy in Japan likely in almost *25 years* while likely being the most expensive to develop. Unbelievable.