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Forums - Microsoft Discussion - Spencer: Scorpio Isn’t Trying To Compete with High-End Rigs, It’ll Have Console Price Point

JRPGfan on 07 December 2016
Imaginedvl said:
JRPGfan said:

499$ is my guess, when the scorpio launches.
By the time it releases the PS4pro will be 349$ (or lower).

Alot of xbox fans see the scorpio as the savior of the xbox one, that ll somehow make its sales numbers go insane.
I honestly dont think that will happend, its gonna have tough competition from the PS4pro.

PS4pro price advantage (maybe 150$ more to get a scorpio instead), and the games lineup of the PS4.... its not gonna be easy for scorpio.

Savior? Saved from what?

Last time I checked the Xbox One is doing pretty well... Not doing as well as the Play Station Four does not make the Xbox One a un-successful product for Microsoft (and the Xbox One owners). I believe there are way more some Sony enthusiasts seing the Xbox One in need to be saved which is kind of ironic at the end :)

I think the price of the Scorpio will be closer to 400$ than 500$ tho.

There are Xbox Fans out there that think the Xbox One will do what the PS3 did, and make a huge comeback and end up being the sales leader this gen.

They credit that miracalus turn around, to how great the Xbox Scorpio will be.

 

I just think their blowing the benefit of extra power from hardware out of the water.

Scorpio is likely 449$ or 499$, with 499$ probably being more likely.

Its gonna be the hardcore xbox gamer that gets one, and most people just getting the slim, like it is with the PS4pro and the PS4slim.

Price matters alot in console sales. I think alot of xbox fans have unrealistic expectations for the Xbox Scorpio.



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LivingMetal on 07 December 2016

Sounds to me by the time Scorpio is released, it would be obsolete.



Ganoncrotch on 07 December 2016

The PS3 and NeoGeo were both consoles and had a Price point, it was a very bad point to be at but still tecnically a console one!



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EricHiggin on 07 December 2016
DonFerrari said:
EricHiggin said:

That's like saying PS2 was selling like hot cakes (the highest selling console in history by far) so PS didn't need to make an over the top $1000 console and sell it for $599, one year after the 360 launched. If PS3 waited to launch a year later than it did, things would have been even worse for PS. PS4 has a lot of momentum yes, but that momentum is based on its direct competition which is the XB1, not Scorpio.

PS5 launch, The Last Of Us Part II. Sounds like a sure fire way to sell a boat load of new consoles to me.

Scorpio launching at 499-599 isn't going to steal no thunder from PS4. Even Pro were very small sales compared to PS4 vanila and that was during BF from a 249 vs 340. Considering X1 is doing worse than vanilla PS4 and it will be a 499 Scorpio versus a 199 X1 I think Scorpio won't be smoking hot sales. Defining a console as enthusiastic level certainly can't be accompanied with high sales expectatives.

If Scorpio is higher than $499 at launch, then PS4 doesn't have to worry all that much for a while. It depends a lot on the price vs performance.

If MS ships a 12GB GDDR5, 6Tflop Polaris/Vega, with Jaguar/Puma for $399, it'll sell ok. If they use Zen, and sell it for $499, I think it will do even better. It's not going to completely turn the tables on PS4, but it will steal momentum from it, just like how 360 stole PS2's momentum. People are always looking to the newest hottest tech, and some XB fans are dying to get back into the specs lead.

MS would be crazy to try and fight out this gen. Its done. XB will not make up any more ground then they have already. The best thing for MS to do, is pull another 360, and launch "next gen" early and get ahead of PS5. MS right now cannot compete with PS on games, so the only logical thing to do, is launch an up to date, powerful, yet boarderline expensive console, sell to the die hards for $499, then drop it $50 to $100 by fall 2018 and really get sales moving.



Darc Requiem on 07 December 2016
pray4mojo said:
KBG29 said:
Interesting.

I am still more than likely going to get the scorpio to support higher end consoles, but I was hoping they would continue with the more premium marketing. My dream is a future where we have high end consoles that can compete with or beat the best single GPU PC's on the market. A $999.99 console with a high end APU sporting a higher end CPU/GPU combo would be ideal. The fact that we have no option in the high end gaming market than PC and Windows is what I have been fighting all along.

There should be no issue for Sony or Microsoft building $1000 high end consoles that only end up with maybe 5 million users. As long as they still offer $200 variations with lesser CPU/GPU power on the same architecture, then development and scaling will not be an issue. We are never going to have the optimization we saw in the PS2 and before era again. That fact that games come to so many platforms has killed that. We should now have broader platforms with power ranges from cheap to enthusiast. We won't get the same bang for our buck, but we will still have unified platforms with highly optimized OS's and unified online networks.

Like I said, I am getting a Scorpik to support higher end consoles and a wider range of console products within a platform. I just hope they don't continue to hang out in this cheaper space, and they do finally give consumers an option outside of windows and pc for high end home computing.

Microsoft should do what they did with the original Xbox. Jack the specs up so high that it competes with high end computers, then sell at a huge loss/recoup on software. 

They didn't recoup on software. They lost billions on the original Xbox. 



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princevenom on 07 December 2016

i think scorpio will be 199$
and will sell like hot cakes next holiday imo of course



GarlandSteve74 on 07 December 2016

I'm glad they aren't just taking the existing Xbox One, throwing in a more powerful GPU and calling it good.

That would be stupid.

If you're going to make a more powerful console, it should be balanced across the board and I'm glad to hear that's what they're planning on doing.



pray4mojo on 07 December 2016
Darc Requiem said:
pray4mojo said:

Microsoft should do what they did with the original Xbox. Jack the specs up so high that it competes with high end computers, then sell at a huge loss/recoup on software. 

They didn't recoup on software. They lost billions on the original Xbox. 

Because they failed. Sony didn't though. The PS2 was sold at a huge loss. I'd like to see that sort of idea return to console gaming.



ArchangelMadzz on 07 December 2016

PS4 will be cheaper holiday 2017 than it is now, PS4 Pro will be cheaper holiday 2017 than it is now. PS4 is selling ridiculously, Scorpio has to launch pretty cheap to make any meaningful dent sales wise to PS4.



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Ariakon on 07 December 2016

I still maintain that it has to be $399.